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What's Ostend 2007 all about, then?
Phoenix of Hamble
09-02-07, 19:32
For some years now a number of forumites have been making a pilgrimage across to Oostende over the weekend of the end of May Bank Holiday, meeting up for a bit of a drink, and then coming home again....
We've been trying to increase the participation, with last year 10 boats making it, albeit with the extremely windy weather, not all at the same time!
We are hoping that this year, we can get even more boatd along....
Its good fun, all sorts of boats attending from new 40' AWBs to somewhat older low 20' MABs.... we end up sharing a drink or two, perhaps a restaurant if enough people are interested, and generally just enjoy a bit of socialising....
The more the merrier, so join in!
I think we have about 8 boats confirmed already this year.... spread the word... all welcome.... forumites or otherwise...
Last year
This:
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/guapa/?xjMsgID=17430
And this:
http://www.sailblogs.com/member/guapa/?xjMsgID=17431
2007: more of the same, but more & still better
Coo woz mel & I there /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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No 2 seems a hansome chappie
Phoenix of Hamble
09-02-07, 21:27
And another view of the same trip...
http://www.yotblog.com/MagnaCarter/1034/
i have quickly scanned your blogs and will read fully later today. Looks exciting. I have had a Wing 25 on the Orwell, now Deben for 2 seasons, i am planning to replace her in the autumn with something a little bigger to go a little further. I would be interested in trying just this sort of trip next year but i've never crossed the channel so it would be a great help to me to be in company.
I take it this is a bring your own brain operation - i.e. not an organised thing, more friendly encouragment.
sorry, AWB, MAB?
All Westerlies & Bavarias, Muddy Antique Boats?
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Pretty much.
Different start off points, different boats, different diary...
And let's not forget the weather (major player last year): one man's "sporting breeze" is another man's "gale".
Last year about 10 boats made it - over 4-5 days. This year it would be nice if more turned up at the same time. 26-27 MAY!
Definitely not around that week. Am starting my crossing the channel plans with a skippered trip on Annabel J, a replica bristol pilot cutter - christmas present from my wife. Lucky me!
Fingers crossed to try next year.
What were the conditions like last May?
I am at work so reading the above blogs will have ot wait til tonight.
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No 2 seems a hansome chappie
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N°2 may seem handsome, but the light's doing him a lot of favours here.
And though handsome, shame had he did not last the course. IIRC he had to seek refuge in white beer after Duvel N°9 /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
that sounds like a heavy session - duvel's about 6% or so, isn't it? At least he had his young batman to side to carry him home.
While i wait for my next job to come in:
A drunk is driving through the city and his car is weaving violently all over the road. A cop pulls him over and asks, “Where have you been?”
“I've been to the pub,” slurs the drunk.
“Well,” says the cop, “it looks like you've had quite a few.”
“I did alright,” the drunk says with a smile.
“Did you know,” says the cop, standing straight and folding his arms, “that a few intersections back, your wife fell out of your car?”
“Oh, thank heavens,” sighs the drunk. “For a minute there, I thought I'd gone deaf.”
From the comedy store website.
Phoenix of Hamble
10-02-07, 13:38
AWB - Average White Boat
MAB - Manky Auld Boat
Conditions last year?
Good for the crossing... about 15kts on the beam....
But then 55kts gusts for the next 3 days and nights while stuck in Oostende!!!!
Followed by 3 days of 3kts and 28 degrees!!!!
read the blogs. Good stuff.
Ostende is a better choice than zeebrugge, i guess. Is there minimal commercial traffic?
MagnaC From the Oost Dyck W (in your blog account) you got into a shallower water out of commercial way and followed coast past nieuwport or went via middlekerkebank/ oostendbank w bouys?
opinions requested from the more experienced of you on this trip ,, as some know I've got hold of a little Debutante 21 footer , not intending to do it on my own ( before anyone thinks I'm that daft ) but would she be likely to be suitable for this sort of trip , or just local
we sail straight in from the West Hinder never any probs with depth, why " go walk-about".
the main thing is to arrive "up-tide" tha last thing you want is a foul tide & beating into it, thats just silly when / if the crew is tired
Follow Sailorman's advice - usually pretty sound.
Don't over-navigate - it's just a channel x-ing, not a YM exam.
From Harwich I've got 3 waypoints: Sunk, Westhinder and Ostend.
Just keep an eye out for Ferryways on the Ipswich-Ostend run to confirm you're still on track /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Only commercial traffic in/out Ostend are the ferries: TEF (Ostend-Ramsgate) and Ferryways (Ostend-Ipswich). Do NOT jump the traffic lights at harbour entrance - hefty fine!
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According to your crew you sleep most of the time /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Guess that's why he's tired /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
we BOTH slee /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gifp
Phoenix of Hamble
10-02-07, 18:52
Pretty much as Sailorman described it..... from Oost Dyke straight in.... would only probably do otherwise if v near low water, or a big sea running.....
We went straight in this year and never saw below 4.2m under the keel....
we used to leave Ramsholt Friday late a/n do Oostende [ collect booze] be back in the Ramsholt Arms Sunday lunch all in a 26 footer average trip 14 hrs e/w best ever 13 hrs [ done 25 Nm in 2h 25 mins once, then the spinny halliard broke] no vhf no liferaft, no heater no spray hood,no fridge, but did have compass,log.depth sounder Ah those were the days /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Phoenix of Hamble
10-02-07, 18:56
Dave,
She'd be fine with careful consideration of the weather... ie don't set out if F6/7 in the forecast...
However, point of caution.... sailing a smaller boat like that over long distances safely does require experience, and that might be something that you'd not quite have enough of by May!
With an experienced crew (such as Tommyrot? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif), then i'd think it'd be quite a fun adventure!
Yes I figured I'd need a bit /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif more experience , nice to know it's a possible though . Andy is the one with lots of experience but I'll be kidnapping you and other unwilling but experienced skippers every chance I get /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif got to build up experience somehow /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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1. sail
2. make mistakes
3. recover
4. rethink
5. sail
repeat over and over
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Dave
I hope to be on the Deben by the end of May and intend to make the trip in our 26ft.
Hope to leave on the Thursday afternoon tide for an over night run.
We could try to stick together if you want.
I'm hoping Neil will be afloat by the time the trip is due /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif , I'm aiming at becoming a stowaway /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif thanks anyway
nothing showing , is it my end ?
yep , that's what I figured too , just hope it doesn't take too many whoopsies
FullCircle
10-02-07, 21:32
Meekly pops in to see if the forum is playing nicely.....
Oh yes, so it is.
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Maybe you should post something about sticking to the point, no taking the piss, only sensible stuff, etc...
Then again, maybe you shouldn't /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Withdrawal symptoms then Will /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
I'm sure I don't know what you mean /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
Just had my first Duvel of 2007 - about to open the second one.
Almost makes up for not sailing this WE /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
Phoenix of Hamble
10-02-07, 21:54
I'm working on it!
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Just coming up as image not available , in a photobox er , box /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
FullCircle
10-02-07, 22:37
No use asking him to sort out photobox this time of night..... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Hmmm ,,, yep , you're probably right
26 footer > Oostende & Back in a week end
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eastcoastbernie
11-02-07, 17:06
If I knew how to upload a photo I could post a photo of my little boat leaving Ostend .....
http://homepage.ntlworld.com/topcatsail/Photo_tutor/Photo_Tutor.html
eastcoastbernie
11-02-07, 17:30
Was that some bizarre initiative test?
eastcoastbernie
11-02-07, 17:36
http://i177.photobucket.com/albums/w226/ladysailorsphotos/pic2leavingOstend500x398.jpg
Is this any better?
eastcoastbernie
11-02-07, 17:37
Ok, so I got bored and didn't bother reading the instructions properly.
Ah, i've been away and a lot has happened!!!
Brillinat info on Ostende, thnaks everyone.
At my end there's been developments, too. My wife has just agreed to 2 weeks in August to try our first attempt at ostend then. If it's ok with the forum, i'll keep asking daft questions about what to prepare and how.
Better still i went out sailing this afternoon in a dinghy with wet suit - i was zinging around. May i recommend to you all off-season dinghy sailing to keep you sane - all you need is a winter wetsuit.
Navigation-wise - keep it simple, stupid. Right?
I've got experienced crew to help. Just need to prepare properly.
Fingers crossed.
Silly Question number one:
What's the best navigation guide to Ostende harbour?
harwich > s cork (well to port) > north east gunfeet stbd > longsand head 130 deg true > west hinder ( optional )>Oostende
from LSH if you can manage a 12 hr trip into Oostende the tides will cancel-out but make sure your "Up-Tide" on arrival
Oostende Pilots ( Hbr Control ) on Ch 09, for entry if you get green signal from Port Pr Hd dont call Hbr just proceed in . Montgomery Dock is the first hole to stbd
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Enter harbour
First right
Then right again
If you're going in August like you said, you need not do anything else. GOD (Robert - HM - voice like foghorn) will tell you what to do - and where.
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Insiders tip: Be his "friend" - he smokes Bastos BTW - and you will not come to any harm.
Insiders tip N°2: leave Port Control (CH 09) well alone, unless you really have to. They're there for ferries & fishermen only - and tend to view yachts (and in particular foreign yachts) as a nuisance.
eastcoastbernie
11-02-07, 19:46
I second that. Best to be on Robert's best side. If he likes the cut of your jib, he can be fantastically helpful. But if you upset him ... he will tell you exactly what he thinks of you ... in several different languages ... and in a voice that needs no PA system. Be warned!!
"WHEN YOUR MENTALLY PREPAIRED"
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Phoenix of Hamble
11-02-07, 20:17
Except last May Bank Holiday when he'd lost his voice after a Karaoke session....
Top bloke though.....
Phoenix of Hamble
11-02-07, 20:24
There's more than enough info in the Almanac, no need to buy a dedicated book.... it really is very easy once you are in the harbour...
Only thing to be aware of, is that in the Montgomery dock, you moor bow too, with the stern attached to one of a number of buoys off the pontoon....
So be prepared with a long line (30m?)...
Easiest stratgy is to prepare the line on a stern cleat, take it forward a little, put the boat alongside (downwind) of the buoy, thread it through, take up the slack, and then motor very gently towards the pontoon using the stern line to check your speed.... have at least one bow line prepared, and place it on the upwind side, get someone ashore to make it off, and you are on.... time to tidy her up at your leisure.... if its really breezy, there's nothing wrong with resting your boat alongside another in a temporary raft while you get your bow lines on, but remember that if you do so, you are putting a lot of weight on their lines, so be reasonably quick!
Hope that helps
do the mobo's moor up like that too? /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
only i think i have crew and may almost certainly be joining you. /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
would it be unsociable if i were to take a berth in th Mercator marina?
Would be nice to go in and out without a "friend" causing 100 quids of damage! /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
Doug
FullCircle
11-02-07, 20:47
Here we go, shows the issues with mooring. I went in there with a my boat, I had never even reversed it before, as it was launched that week, and this was Full Circle's first trip.
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Phoenix of Hamble
11-02-07, 20:57
Yep, the mobos too.... although there are a few alongside berths available for the bigger stuff, so you might strike lucky!
Yes it would be unsociable to go into Mercator... /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
The mooring system is really very very easy... in fact, I think its easier than going alongside.....
FullCircle
11-02-07, 21:18
That gap that I am in above was about 2/3rds the width as I started my entry. It magically streched open as I went in, and was assisted by 1/2 a dozen mooring lin helpers too.
Doug, dont be such a wuss. Actually if you look, there is a stern to boat on the left of our lot waving a Belgian flag, so it aint impossible. Also, you need to be instructed by Robert. Its worth the experience everytime.
wuss /forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif
wuss /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
thats got me going now! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
you watch when i arrive /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Yep the whole marina will be watching its " Blood Sport" over there /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Yes, it would.
Wuss
Nice to hear from you again Bernie , hopefully we'll get together again soon
so i do the usual
arrive at 30 kts /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
apply the brakes /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
hoping swmbo doesnt tip over the bow /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif
shout loudly at her to throw the rope to someone...anyone on the pontoon /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
scream shes done it wrong again! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
attend to the warps myself /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
ask for an estimate for the gel coat repairs /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
go to the bar for a beer. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
hope someone has a good video camera to record all this /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
slightly wrong order Doug
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apart from that perfection /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
go to the bar for a beer. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
ask for an estimate for the gel coat repairs
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If that's your approach maybe the Mercator Marina is the right place for you after all
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Will Robert let a tiddler like us in amongst all you big boys?
FullCircle
12-02-07, 13:52
Tiddler? Tiddler???
I had 2 boats before getting my big boat Evo25!!
You want to try it in a Corribee Clive!
I am sure that Guapa can sling you in his davits, therefore the weekend will cost you bugger all.
I will get the lifting eyes fitted then. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Plenty of room for the little one along the seaward wall.
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Just in case
http://www.abc-d.be/english/firma_3241.html
They did a sterling job on Yanita a couple of years ago when she had broken her mooring.
On time - settled everything with the insurance (GJW)
my rotten internet connection disappeared just when i was getting so much help!
In relation to the night time section of the crossing:
I'm roughly imagining a 16 - 20 hour passage time (?)
What's the forum prefer for it's night sailing section - Harwich - the TSS - or other, or is the tide simply more important?
I can imagine being most comfortable to navigate out of harwich in the dark and try to arrive in plenty of daylight - but is that the most sensible? I'm just thinking at least i'll recognise a few things as the ship goes down...
Secondly, i know you're going to think i'm a moron but when you say arrive "up-tide" you mean either ebbing or flooding - just be north of a flood and south of an ebb once you're on the Belgium coast so that you're not punching into it. Or is there a need for a rising tide into Ostend - i didn't see anything obvious on the chart.
Phoenix of Hamble
13-02-07, 14:25
16 hrs is possible, 20hrs is very pessimistic.... i'd plan for more like 12 or 14.... but obviously depends upon your normal passage making speed....
As for nightime sailing.... yes, preferable to do your home waters in the dark rather than an unfamiliar destination port if at all possible...
But in this case, IMHO, the most important factor is to time your crossing so that you are crossing the TSS, in particular Sandettie, in daylight...
We leave around midnight, tides permitting, aiming to hit the TSS early morning, and arrive on the Belgian or Dutch coast in the afternoon....
Good advice given to me, was to try and time your arrival at Sandettie so that its not just on the turn of the tide.... many large vessels will anchor up at Sandettie junction waiting for the tide to turn to assist their passage, and it can be busy for a while shortly after the tide has turned.... saying that.... last time we went through there, we didn't see a single vessel in the TSS.... so its far from a big issue to worry about.
Spot on for the tide arrivals.... basically they mean, don't arrive in a position where you have to plug into the tide to reach the harbour entrance.... you can enter Oostende at any state of tide, ebbing or flooding... only conditions to be wary of are strong NW winds creating a big swell in the entrance channel, but even then its got to be extreme.... we left last year in 25+kts, and it was a bit lumpy, but not overly dangerous....
A Wing 25 being a bit short on the water line, imho, will at best take 16 1/2 hrs proberbly 18 hrs . always arrive as you stated [Secondly, i know you're going to think i'm a moron but when you say arrive "up-tide" you mean either ebbing or flooding - just be north of a flood and south of an ebb once you're on the Belgium coast so that you're not punching into it. ].
access is at any state of the tide but strong on shore winds need care. there is also quite a strong cross tide @ the Pr Hds
for a first crossing arrive say 3 hrs after first light, this will give visual on the entrance, the first thing that will appear is the " Block of Flats" visual @ 10 mls + dont be tempted to steer for it or the tide will stuff you, keep to the course to keep you up tide
eastcoastbernie
13-02-07, 22:26
When I did it in my boat (25/26 ft depending on whether I'm boasting or trying to get a cheap berth) we left about 05.00 and got in around 20.30 hours. That's from Suffolk Yacht Harbour to Mercator. If that's any use.
our 26 footer we reconed on ave 14 hrs a Wing 25 will be a lot slower
Roger , can I put you down for giving me a few guidance tips and advice please
I'm sad to say that i'm a bit nervous to do this trip in my wing 25. I have been thinking of either buying something 27-29 or going in my sister's Southerly 115 (she looks down on me from up there, you know).
I spoke to very helpful david at tollesbury who went on the say he knew a chap about to set sail for the Azores in his Wing 25, so that made me feel a bit of a woose (spelling?) for being nervous of the north sea in comaprison but she is quite low in freeboard for anything lumpy, although long keel and compact etc. and muich as i admire the effort i'm no shrimpy.
German couple (mr, mrs & toddler) did a circumnavigation in an Etap 21 a couple of years ago.
If conditions allow, there's no reason why your crossing should be anything more than a very long daysail
I would imagine they had a lot more experience than me , but I'm hoping to start the remedy soon
With any luck I'll be picking up the Debutante on the 24th , fingers crossed she'll be ok to chuck straight in , but I'll have a few doing checks with me first
Your comments make me feel a lot better about doing it though
Dave make sure you check ( assuming shes plywood) along the gunnel's for rot. my first " Yacht" was a 17 ft 6 ins Silhouette Mk 2 trailed her home behind my Mini Van from Hastings ( mainly 3 rd gear ) found rot as mentioned behind the gunnel / strake capping due to fresh water ingress. i did sort the problem but a job i didn't need at the time.
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Thanks for that , I'll be doing quite a few checks with help from various forumites
My dad is suggesting to go at the end of June instead of August for the purposes of good light.
Now for another dopey question:
I take it I or someone on the boat needs an ICC or is it a CEVNI documentation? Must the boat have specific registration to go in and out of ostend?
Phoenix of Hamble
17-02-07, 09:37
No qualification of any kind neeeded, other than VHF cert.... don't forget your other docs thought, like VAT cert, insurance, passports etc, as there were several police inspections last year... quite polite and civil though...
Now then.
I do not have a VAT receipt for Sirenia.
I have the bill of sale from when I purchased her.
I also have invoices for work carried out on her over the last 6 years.
She was commissioned in 1986.
Do I have a problem?
I think that's one of my worries too , how can anyone produce a VAT certificate for an older boat , or any other paperwork for that matter
Phoenix of Hamble
17-02-07, 15:01
Not very likely.... a bill of sale on an older boat will usually do the trick, and for a boat that is 'of a certain age', then they tend not to worry about VAT anyway...
I had better not make her look to new then. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
Intending to paint the topsides before launch.
If I can get the son interested in rubbing the hull down.
I'm going to quietly whisper this question:
Where can I (er) renew my VHF owners certificate?
Phoenix of Hamble
17-02-07, 17:15
/forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif plenty of places.... suggest for an East Coast sailor that you try Brittania at Shotley Marina.... here (http://www.britanniasailingschool.co.uk/)
http://www.eastanglianseaschool.com/
No connection with them - but can testify to their excellent MOB recovery skills /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
r we talking Station Licence
Or operators licence
On that subject , where's the best place to take the operators course so I can use mine ,
oh
Guapa ,it makes very interesting reading /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
no good asking me /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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Anywhere - if you know the phonetic alphabet and don't say "over and out" it's almost impossible to fail this course.
Phoenix of Hamble
17-02-07, 20:17
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You'd probably even get away with saying 'over and out' once or twice.....
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I always check the radio when I get to the boat, and every time - yep - it's still there where I left it /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
that's one of the reasons I get annoyed with these courses , ex RAF radio tech , ex plod where you had to stick to procedures , and known the phonetic alphabet since 1972 ,,,,,,,,, but I still have to pay for a course to get a licence
I was meaning the radio licence rather than hte operator's licence.
I'm doing the operator's licence course with Dream2reality sailing, courses on an wooden 43 footer out of Walton.
Run by Richard, a very likeable man.
I'll look forward to hearing your report on it
my old debutante "Squib" went over to Belgium and back from Erith yacht club - no problems - bar a lack of wind on the way back and a lot of refueling of the outboard -
FANTASTIC boats - I have another one now on the south coast -
Thanks for that , at least it's sounding more and more like I haven't ended up with a load of junk , so far everyone's been positive about her so maybe it's time to put a few pics in scuttlebutt and start asking for help and advice
Why hide them in Skuttle?
lets all have a laugh. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
sorry i meant look /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c359/trevera25/large-smiley-030.gifhttp://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c359/trevera25/thefinger-1.gif
Maybe I will , maybe I won't
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