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stingo
22-03-07, 07:46
Mr DHL just knocked on my door and thrust a pen into my hand, demanding an autograph, before handing over my ticket. Waahoooo, not long to go.

http://www.stingo.co.za/images/ybw/ticket.JPG

Alistairr
22-03-07, 08:22
Ah, was a return ticket cheaper than a one way ticket?

Can't quite see the class details, is it First Class, Business Class or cattle class??

Bet you're excited!!

Al.

stingo
22-03-07, 08:25
Return is significantly cheaper than a one way. Yep, cattle class.

Alistairr
22-03-07, 09:28
He's a bit stingy, tcm isn't he!!!

Do you still plan on catching the last flight, from Paris to Johannesburg on the 11th june?

Al.

stingo
22-03-07, 09:52
Yep. Why do you ask?

Alistairr
22-03-07, 10:16
Well I'm no expert, but I'd have though, if you are flying Air France all the way, and you don't get the return flight from St Martin to Paris, Would Air France not then automatically cancel your ticket for the flight Paris to Johannesburg?
Maybe No1_Moose could clarify, as i could be talking bolloxs.

Exciting trip though, looking forward to reading all about it!

Al.

No1_Moose
22-03-07, 14:02
well here are the quite lengthy restrictions on the ticket you've bought (T). I would get on the phone to AF and clarify that in the case of you not showing up for the SXM-CDG sector they will cancel your return to Joburg. From the restrictions it appears they will.


Air France AF SXMPAR TLPXAN3 fare rules and restrictions
General notes:
BASIC SEASON INSTANT PURCHASE 3RD LEVEL T
FARES
Between AREA 2 and AREA 1 FOR ROUND TRIP FARES




Seasonal restrictions:
PERMITTED 08JAN 07 THROUGH 24MAR 07 OR 25MAR 07 THROUGH
15JUN 07 OR 09JUL 07 THROUGH 26JUL 07 OR 04SEP 07 THROUGH
29DEC 07 OR 14JAN 08 THROUGH 21FEB 08 OR 10MAR 08 THROUGH
20AUG 08 OR 08SEP 08 THROUGH 28OCT 08 ON THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.




Flight restrictions:
THE FARE COMPONENT MUST NOT BE ON
ONE OR MORE OF THE FOLLOWING
ANY LH FLIGHT
ANY BA FLIGHT
ANY IB FLIGHT
ANY LX FLIGHT
ANY SK FLIGHT
ANY AA FLIGHT
ANY US FLIGHT
ANY UA FLIGHT
ANY RG FLIGHT
ANY 4M FLIGHT
ANY LA FLIGHT OPERATED BY 4M.




Advanced reservations and ticketing restrictions:
RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.
WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 100 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED AT LEAST 93 DAYS
BEFORE DEPARTURE.
OR - RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.
WHEN RESERVATIONS ARE MADE AT LEAST 11 DAYS BEFORE
DEPARTURE TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 7 DAYS
AFTER RESERVATIONS ARE MADE OR AT LEAST 10 DAYS
BEFORE DEPARTURE WHICHEVER IS EARLIER.
OR - RESERVATIONS ARE REQUIRED FOR ALL SECTORS.
TICKETING MUST BE COMPLETED WITHIN 1 DAY AFTER
RESERVATIONS ARE MADE.
NOTE -
DIFFERENCE COULD EXIST BETWEEN THE CRS
LAST TICKETING DATE AND TTL ROBOT REMARK.
THE MOST RESTRICTIVE DATE PREVAILS.




Minimum stay restrictions:
TRAVEL FROM LAST INTERNATIONAL STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO
EARLIER THAN 7 DAYS AFTER DEPARTURE OF THE OUTBOUND
TRANSATLANTIC SECTOR.




Maximum stay restrictions:
RETURN TRAVEL FROM LAST STOPOVER MUST COMMENCE NO LATER
THAN 2 MONTHS AFTER DEPARTURE FROM FARE ORIGIN.




Stopovers:
NO STOPOVERS PERMITTED.




Transfers:
2 TRANSFERS PERMITTED - 1 IN EACH DIRECTION.
1 ONLINE IN FRANCE IN EACH DIRECTION
OR - 4 TRANSFERS PERMITTED - 2 IN EACH DIRECTION.
1 ONLINE IN PAR IN EACH DIRECTION
1 ONLINE IN AREA 2 IN EACH DIRECTION.




Combinability restrictions:
ADD-ONS PERMITTED.
END-ON-END
END-ON-END COMBINATIONS PERMITTED WITH DOMESTIC FARES
BUT ARE NOT PERMITTED WITH INTERNATIONAL FARES. VALIDATE
ALL FARE COMPONENTS. FARES MUST BE SHOWN SEPARATELY ON
THE TICKET. TRAVEL MUST BE VIA THE POINT OF COMBINATION.
OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE TRIPS
FARES MAY BE COMBINED ON A HALF ROUND TRIP BASIS
-TO FORM SINGLE OR DOUBLE OPEN JAWS/ROUND TRIPS/CIRCLE
TRIPS.
PROVIDED -
COMBINATIONS ARE WITH ANY FARE FOR CARRIER KL/AF IN ANY
RULE IN TARIFF
IPRA - BETWEEN USA/CA-AREA 2/3 AND GUAM-AREA 2
IPRAI - BETWEEN THE USA/CANADA-AREA 2/3 VIA ATL
IPRSAA2 - BETWEEN THE WESTERN HEMISPHERE-AREA 2 VIA
ATL.




Surcharges:
ORIGINATING AREA 1 -
THE PROVISIONS BELOW APPLY ONLY AS FOLLOWS -
TICKETS MAY ONLY BE SOLD IN THE UNITED STATES/MEXICO/
PERU/ARGENTINA.
A FUEL SURCHARGE OF EUR 49.00 PER DIRECTION WILL BE
ADDED TO THE APPLICABLE FARE.




Penalties:
CHANGES
BEFORE DEPARTURE
CHARGE USD 100.00.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
NOTE -
-1- BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND BEFORE
ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT
--------------------------------------------------
THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MUST BE RECALCULATED
USING CURRENT AND APPLICABLE FARES IN EFFECT AT
THE DATE OF REISSUE UNDER FOLLOWING CONDITIONS
- CHANGE OR REROUTING WITH SAME FARE BASIS --
SEASONS/MIDWEEK/WEEKEND MAY BE DIFFERENT
THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MAY BE LOWER - EQUAL OR
HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS
- CHANGE OR REROUTING OR UPG TO ANY SPECIAL FARE
THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MUST BE EQUAL OR HIGHER
THAN PREVIOUS
- CHANGE OR REROUTING OR UPG TO ANY NORMAL FARE
THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MAY BE LOWER - EQUAL OR
HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS
------------------------------------------------
CHANGES NOT PERMITTED IN CASE OF NO-SHOW.
NOTE -
-2- BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY BUT AFTER
ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT /NO-SHOW/
--------------------------------------------------
CHANGES OR REROUTING ARE NOT PERMITTED
REFER TO REFUND CONDITIONS.
--------------------------------------------------
AFTER DEPARTURE
CHARGE USD 100.00.
CHILD/INFANT DISCOUNTS APPLY.
NOTE -
-3- AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY
--------------------------------------------------
THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MUST BE RECALCULATED BY
USING HISTORICAL AND APPLICABLE FARES IN EFFECT
AT THE ORIGINAL TICKET DATE UNDER FOLLOWING
CONDITIONS
- CHANGE OR REROUTING WITH SAME FARE BASIS --
SEASONS/MIDWEEK/WEEKEND MAY BE DIFFERENT
THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MAY BE LOWER - EQUAL OR
HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS
- CHANGE OR REROUTING OR UPG TO ANY SPECIAL FARER
THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MUST BE EQUAL OR
HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS
- CHANGE OR REROUTING OR UPG TO ANY NORMAL FARE
THE NEW BASE FARE AMOUNT MAY BE LOWER - EQUAL OR
HIGHER THAN PREVIOUS
CANCELLATIONS
TICKET IS NON-REFUNDABLE.
NOTE -
---------------- REFUND ----------------------
-1- BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND BEFORE
ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT
TICKET IS NON REFUNDABLE
--------------------------------------------------
-2- BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY BUT AFTER
ORIGINALLY SCHEDULED FLIGHT /NO-SHOW/
TICKET IS NON REFUNDABLE
-------------------------------------------------
-3- AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY
TICKET IS NON REFUNDABLE




NOTE -
AT ANY TIME - IN CASE OF REFUND - PAPER TICKET
SURCHARGE IS NOT REFUNDABLE WHEN APPLIED.




Higher intermediate points (HIP) exceptions:
NOTE -
SURFACE MILEAGE MAY NOT BE INCLUDED FOR RT AND CT.




Endorsements:
THE ORIGINAL TICKET MUST BE ANNOTATED - NON REF/APEX - IN
THE ENDORSEMENT BOX.
NOTE -
TICKETS MUST SHOW BY THE USE OF AN INSERT OR
STICKER THAT TRAVEL IS AT A SPECIAL FARE AND
SUBJECT TO SPECIAL CONDITIONS.




Children's discounts:
ACCOMPANIED CHILD 2-11 - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME COMPARTMENT
BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER
OR - INFANT UNDER 2 WITH A SEAT - CHARGE 67 PERCENT OF THE
FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - CH.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER
OR - 1ST INFANT UNDER 2 WITHOUT A SEAT - CHARGE 10 PERCENT
OF THE FARE.
TICKET DESIGNATOR - IN.
MUST BE ACCOMPANIED ON ALL FLIGHTS IN SAME
COMPARTMENT BY ADULT 18 OR OLDER
OR -
NOTE -
UNACCOMPANIED CHILD 5-11 - NOT PERMITTED.




Voluntary changes:
IN THE EVENT OF CHANGES TO TICKETED FLIGHTS
BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TKT VALIDITY
CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY
THOSE OF AF INTERNATIONAL FARES
CHARGE USD 100.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ANY FARE COMPONENT
WITHIN JOURNEY - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNT APPLIES AND
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
BE DOMESTIC
2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
3. AF T- FARE FAMILY GOVERNED BY IPRSAA2 IS USED
4. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING
DATE KNOWN
5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE
OF PRICING UNIT
OR -
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
BE DOMESTIC
2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
3. AF SPECIAL FARES GOVERNED BY IPRSAA2 ARE USED
4. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
TKT
5. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING
DATE KNOWN
6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE
OF PRICING UNIT
OR -
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT TODAY
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
BE DOMESTIC
2. CHANGE IS BEFORE ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT
3. AF NORMAL FARES GOVERNED BY IPRSAA2 ARE USED
4. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING
DATE KNOWN
5. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM REISSUE DATE TO DEPARTURE
OF PRICING UNIT
REFUND VIA MCO
ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS.
OR -
BEFORE DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TKT VALIDITY
CHANGES NOT PERMITTED/REFUND TKT-ANY REMAINING AMT WILL
APPLY TO NEW TKT
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. CHANGE IS AFTER ORIGINAL SCHEDULED FLIGHT.
OR -
AFTER DEPARTURE OF JOURNEY AND WITHIN TKT VALIDITY
CERTAIN DOMESTIC REISSUE PROVISIONS MAY BE OVERRIDDEN BY
THOSE OF AF INTERNATIONAL FARES
CHARGE USD 100.00 OR HIGHEST FEE OF ANY FARE COMPONENT
WITHIN JOURNEY - CATEGORY 19 DISCOUNT APPLIES AND
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
BE DOMESTIC
2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
3. AF T- FARE FAMILY GOVERNED BY IPRSAA2 IS USED
4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
5. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING
DATE KNOWN
6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
OR -
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
BE DOMESTIC
2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
3. AF SPECIAL FARES GOVERNED BY IPRSAA2 ARE USED
4. NEW TKT HAS EQUAL OR HIGHER VALUE THAN PREVIOUS
TKT
5. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
6. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING
DATE KNOWN
7. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
OR -
REPRICE USING FARES IN EFFECT WHEN TKT WAS ISSUED
PROVIDED ALL OF THE FOLLOWING CONDITIONS ARE MET-
1. WHEN NO INTL COUPONS REMAIN - ALL NEW TRAVEL MUST
BE DOMESTIC
2. FULLY FLOWN FARE NOT REPRICED TO FURTHER POINT
3. AF NORMAL FARES GOVERNED BY IPRSAA2 ARE USED
4. ALL RULE AND BOOKING CODE PROVISIONS ARE MET
5. VALIDATE ADVANCE RES REQUIREMENTS WHEN BOOKING
DATE KNOWN
6. ADV RES IS MEASURED FROM ORIGINAL TKT DATE TO
DEPARTURE OF PRICING UNIT
REFUND VIA MCO
ENDORSEMENT BOX- HIGHER NON-REF AMT AND NEW ENDORSEMENTS.




Rule application:
AIR FRANCE SPECIAL FARES/PEX FARE FROM NETHERLANDS ANTILLES
TO AREA 2
APPLICATION
AREA
THESE FARES APPLY
FROM NETHERLANDS ANTILLES TO AREA 2.
TYPES OF TRANSPORTATION
FARES GOVERNED BY THIS RULE CAN BE USED TO CREATE/
ROUND-TRIP/CIRCLE-TRIP/OPEN-JAW JOURNEYS.
CAPACITY LIMITATIONS
FULL AND SEQUENTIAL USE OF FLIGHT COUPONS-
THE TICKET /OR ELECTRONIC TICKET/ IS NOT VALID
IF THE FIRST COUPON HAS NOT BEEN USED AND WILL
NOT BE HONORED IF ALL THE COUPONS ARE NOT USED
IN THE SEQUENCE PROVIDED IN THE TICKET/OR
ELECTRONIC TICKET/

Alistairr
22-03-07, 14:13
I knew you'd know, I did wonder and thought it best too mention it, so John has time too sort it out!

Let us know how you get on with it Stingo.

Cheers

Al.

stingo
22-03-07, 14:29
This is a shocker. Have just phoned Un-fAir France and they want an additional R12846-00 to change the ticket. I originally paid R13985, so almost double in price!!

No1_Moose
22-03-07, 14:38
have you changed it? If not, give me until this evening, I'll see if I can come up with something cheaper/better than changing it.....

No1_Moose
22-03-07, 14:42
right, you're pitching up back in Europe (somewhere) on the boat, do you really want to leave from Paris to get back to Joburg? Are you then going from Joburg to Durban on a different ticket or is it the 6th sector on the AF itinerary you've posted above? Are you return dates fixed or can you be a little bit flexible around the 12th June?

How about Griefrow to Durban via Joburg with BA?

stingo
22-03-07, 14:42
Please, would really appreciate it.

claymore
22-03-07, 17:23
Useless wee bugger

Alistairr
22-03-07, 17:36
Oops, I'm glad i said something now!

Alistairr
22-03-07, 17:43
Would a simple solution not be to just cancel the last flight, Paris to Johannesburg, and then just book that single flight, wether its a return or not, it won't matter!

Al.

tcm
22-03-07, 20:03
flippinek, you've gone and ruined it now Al...

Lakesailor
22-03-07, 23:07
Anything about carbon footprints in there?

longjohnsadler
22-03-07, 23:22
Apparently if we offer your bollox to sharwood on a plate we can have as big a carbon footprint as we like...

No1_Moose
22-03-07, 23:27
yes, that's what I'm looking at, but I think the last trip is actually CDG to Durban via Joburg because a) that's where is leaving from and b) his first ticket in the wallet says 1 of 6

Lakesailor
22-03-07, 23:29
As long as I'm still attached that has a certain appeal. Could be interesting /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif