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Grantie
06-10-08, 20:33
Hello ... would anyone be kind enough to let me know just where the license comes into play on the way up the Thames?
i will be heading upriver quite soon from the sea and although i'm relatively sure i need a standard license,i'm not at all sure where the point is that you need one from?...or if a license for the Kennet will cover a trip upriver on the Thames too?..or are they one and the same??

cheers

boatone
06-10-08, 20:47
Thames Licence is needed upstream from Teddington Lock. No benefits from Kennet but may be worth looking into combined BW/EA Gold Licence depending on your circumstances.

rr_123
07-10-08, 09:41
also depends how long you plan to visit for, you can get temporary licences for the non-tidal thames for (to quote "the-river-thames.co.uk") " a total of 67 days by purchasing up to six one-day registrations, two 15-day registrations and one 31-day registration"

If that would cover your stay it will obviate the need to have a Boat Safety Certificate.

Also reading your previous posts, I would hesitate to take a keel boat up the K and A, having lived on that waterway for a couple of years and run into "obstructions" in a boat drawing about 12"! You could probably do it, but you will ground, and there will be times when you have very (very) little room for manouvre.

That said, we'd all love to hear your tales as they unfold, and you should get a pretty warm welcome from everyone on here (and most others tbh)

angelaquayle
07-10-08, 10:01
The previous comments are right - you can buy the different lengths of licence to suit your journey and sign a declaration to say your boat is safe rather than needing a boat safety certificate. You can buy the licence in advance or from Teddington Lock when you arrive on the river. The Thames Visitor Licence covers you wherever you are on the non-tidal Thames. Check out www.visitthames.co.uk (http://www.visitthames.co.uk) to help plan your trip, see what's going on on the Thames.
Enjoy!

TrueBlue
07-10-08, 11:44
You won't be able to get any further than Cookham lock after 3rd. November until March

I also heard rumours that Town Lock (Reading) on the K&A may also be closed for an extended period.

Grantie
07-10-08, 11:57
thank you all for your invaluable advice....with the yacht having a steel triple keeled hull with the ability to easily take ground should the need arise,i think we're going to chance a visit into the K&A.....if the Cookham lock problem doesn't stop us!!
will cross our fingers for a speedy purchase........and we will keep you informed of our progress /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

teddington_lock
07-10-08, 12:19
When are you looking at arriving at Tedders ?

The 67 day route would prove expensive , don't forget that as it's after 1st September , you can buy an annual license for half price ( you would need a BSS cert though ) .

You would need to do this via Reading though , as we can't issue annuals at the lock.

TrueBlue
07-10-08, 14:01
Probably only needs two days to get to Reading.

Correcting / amending my previous post,

County Lock is the one on the K&A that's closed now 29th September to 24th October.

After that Midgham (at Thatcham) is closed 3rd. November to Christmas, I didn't look at the rest, Clicky here (http://www.waterscape.com/media/documents/versioned/stoppages-web-2008-2009.pdf)

So go like a bat-out-of-hell, or leave it to next spring....

Grantie
08-10-08, 10:11
hi Tedders !

we are not sure when we are arriving just yet as the yacht is still lying in S'hampton....thanks for the advice on license fee....will look into this soon...as for the BSS cert,i don't think we will have any trouble with this as i have done quite a bit of homework as to what is required,i just have to put it all into practice when we get to her!

Grantie
08-10-08, 10:12
Thanks all for your advice /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif

Redski
08-10-08, 19:48
Can we please stop 'buying' licences (permissions) for the Thames? You shouldn't be 'buying' your already statutory rights! You pay a fee to register your boats-quite a different propositiion.

rr_123
08-10-08, 20:39
other than the sheer joy of pedantry, what is the salient difference?

The Cambridge online defines Licence as

"an official document which gives you permission to own, do or use something, usually after you have paid money and/or taken a test"

and Register as

"when a name or information is recorded on an official list"

Now I haven't seen any Lockies or EA Launch Crew consulting an official list to check that my boat is on it, but I have certainly paid money and received an official document.

I know that it officially comes under "craft registrations", but why the fuss over semantics?

TrueBlue
09-10-08, 12:19
No, it's not pedantry, other than trying to show the difference.

As has been said before "Registration" is not a sale of goods and services, so no VAT - be grateful for that, but most importantly for EA if they want to be pedantic, no rights actually to do anything.

"License" confers some actual permission to use, and EA wouldn't want to have any obligations to boaters - would they.

Being sensible, though, it may have more to do with the fact that there is a public right to navigate anyway. Only the lawyers know; and a specialised one to boot.

boatone
09-10-08, 12:31
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Being sensible, though, it may have more to do with the fact that there is a public right to navigate anyway. Only the lawyers know; and a specialised one to boot.

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So,. if we have a public right to navigate why do we need to register?

No Regrets
09-10-08, 14:07
Indeedy....

http://www.swarb.co.uk/acts/1885ThamesConservancyAct.shtml

TrueBlue
09-10-08, 17:28
"5. Any person obstructing the navigation herein-before described by means of any weir, bridge, piles, dam, chain, barrier, or other impediment, shall be liable to be called upon by the Conservators to remove the same, and his refusal to do so shall be deemed to be a continuing offence within the meaning of this Act, and the obstruction itself shall be deemed to be a nuisance to the navigation unless the same or substantially the same has been maintained for the period of twenty years before the commencement of this Act."


All those damned fallen trees; should be able to sidestep the "well it doesn't obstruct two thirds of the channel argument...