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Phoenix of Hamble
16-02-11, 12:50
Reading Jimi's thread on Scuttlebutt, it has struck me that its been a very long while since I used my traditional nav skills in anger.

For many of us, even those brought up sailing in the days of paper, pencil and dipping distances, that maybe we've had GPS's and Plotters just a little bit too long...

So.... a proposal...

As east coast sailors, guardians of the art of sailing, how about nominating a weekend in advance, where you commit to turning off all the electronic position fixing devices, and do the whole weekend the traditional way?... perhaps pick a weekend that will be a challenge commensurate with your experience?

It might be useful to force ourselves to drag from the deepest recesses of our minds, some of those techniques used so long ago... as a gentle reminder should we ever need to use them...

I'll start it off....

Morgana - I commit to doing the outbound leg of our planned Brugge trip this year with the GPS and plotter turned off.

Alchemist V274
16-02-11, 16:50
Morgana - I commit to doing the outbound leg of our planned Brugge trip this year with the GPS and plotter turned off.

At least in the old days - swing that lamp - we had the wonders of Radio Direction Finding to update the DR / EP. :eek:

I did get bored on one of my trips last year and started fixing as I ran along the French coast, only every 30 minutes or so not like the 6 minute visual fixes I did from Newcastle a few weeks ago in Trumpeter (the 'new' Raider) increasing to 3 minutes when approaching / leaving harbour. No students onboard so I had to earn my keep!

Assuming I go to Calais at the end of May I'll try and remember to do that without GPS / Chart Plotter. Luckily variation is almost nothing on the East Coast!!

Phoenix of Hamble
16-02-11, 16:55
RDF to update the EP? :D

Hah!... with the old yacht systems, in anything over a F4 you were lucky if it placed you in the same coastguard region, let alone get an accurate fix!

Alchemist V274
16-02-11, 16:58
RDF to update the EP? :D

In anything over a F4 you were lucky if it placed you in the same coastguard region, let alone get an accurate fix!

Navigation = the art of knowing where you arent!

Kids these days they don't know how easy they have it!! :p

tillergirl
16-02-11, 18:02
You remind me I have an old RDF in the shed. What were they called? Locata - never located anything. I seem to recall in all the years I had it, it only picked up one signal - was it the Sunk Beacon? And the Navstar Decca always went down as we went past Osea (no sarky comments please about needing Decca to navigate past Osea). I seem to recall if you didn't turn it on from where you last turned it off, it had a hissy fit and wouldn't triangulate or whatever it did.

Anybody lend me a plotter to turn off for Morgana's challenge?

Phoenix of Hamble
16-02-11, 18:10
Anybody lend me a plotter to turn off for Morgana's challenge?No hand held GPS's or any other sort of GPS either..... no cheating! :D

Phoenix of Hamble
16-02-11, 18:23
You remind me I have an old RDF in the shed. What were they called? Locata - never located anything. I seem to recall in all the years I had it, it only picked up one signal - was it the Sunk Beacon?Never used one in the Thames Estuary, so no idea where the beacons were.... in fairness, they did work OK at the western end of the channel, and were quite useful for a crossing over to/from the Channel Islands.... IIRC, there was a beacon on Start pt and another by Falmouth.... but the last time I would have used RDF would have been in the late 80's....

tillergirl
16-02-11, 18:35
Actually thinking a bit more I think it picked up the aero beacon at Southend - but this might be scribble, have been at the Rum Cocktails this evening.

Should we also go back to Seafarer Echo sounders that read zero on the digital reading if it goes right round the dial to 20+ metres for this challenge as well? Remember stopping in fog in the Barrow Deep terrified when the digital reading read 0.9 metres when I though I was in the middle of the channel (I was - in 20.9m of water). Turning the knob to x6 did solve the problem but not before I had hove to and rather foolishly stuck the boat hook round all sides au bateau. And then one rainy night over the Ridens de la Rade when I thought it was a bit shallow, it lit up all round the dial and no fiddling with the Gain did anything.

FullCircle
16-02-11, 19:49
I promise not to switch mine on at all until May.

DanTribe
16-02-11, 20:02
How traditional do we want to go?
I once heard a tale of a polynesian navigator who rested his scrotum on the prow of the canoe, the better to judge wave rythm.
This might be unacceptable off Frinton.

MoodySabre
16-02-11, 20:05
I'm having the Decca aerial taken off my mast this week. That's as far as I'm going. Emperor's new clothes :rolleyes:

Phoenix of Hamble
16-02-11, 20:38
How traditional do we want to go?
I once heard a tale of a polynesian navigator who rested his scrotum on the prow of the canoe, the better to judge wave rythm.
This might be unacceptable off Frinton.But would probably be well received anywhere near Clacton pier....

OR4751
16-02-11, 23:54
How traditional do we want to go?
I once heard a tale of a polynesian navigator who rested his scrotum on the prow of the canoe, the better to judge wave rythm.
This might be unacceptable off Frinton.

That would depend - is your scrotum still presentable?
If in doubt, feel free to post pictures; so the forum panel could advise :p

Wunja
17-02-11, 09:05
That would depend - is your scrotum still presentable?
If in doubt, feel free to post pictures; so the forum panel could advise :p

NOOOOO!

Last time someone did that we ended up with a new forum!

Phoenix of Hamble
17-02-11, 09:31
Report just coming in.......

A man has been arrested after being seen cruising up the Crouch with his gentalia exposed.

The man, named locally as Dan, was reported as saying that he'd forgotten about the fresh epoxy coating he'd just finished on his bow, and found himself in the unfortunate position of having glued his testicles to the bow sprit.

A large group of, mainly female, firefighters are currently employing careful use of a series of solvents in an attempt to extract him.

A firefighter spokesman described the situation as 'hard to deal with'

Its believed to be part of a strange new navigation ritual inspired by Pacific Islanders.

Locals said they are getting rather fed up of it, as its the third time this year that members of the Crouch cruising community have glued body parts to their boat, with the well publicised 'naked helming after sikaflexing' incident onboard luxury yacht Fullcircle earlier in the year receiving a great deal of publicity.

Meanwhile, the police are exploring links with an east coast resident who appears to regularly disappear off the pacific and far eastern destinations. It is believed he may be a key factor in this new fad, and is secretly distibuting hidden messages through a well known local pilotage book.

The RCYC refused to comment as they prepared for their annual Clacton Cruise

Erbas
17-02-11, 11:56
I promise not to switch mine on at all until May.

I promise not to switch mine on until I've bought it!

OR4751
17-02-11, 12:56
Report just coming in.......

A man has been arrested after being seen cruising up the Crouch with his gentalia exposed.

The man, named locally as Dan, was reported as saying that he'd forgotten about the fresh epoxy coating he'd just finished on his bow, and found himself in the unfortunate position of having glued his testicles to the bow sprit.

A large group of, mainly female, firefighters are currently employing careful use of a series of solvents in an attempt to extract him.

A firefighter spokesman described the situation as 'hard to deal with'

Its believed to be part of a strange new navigation ritual inspired by Pacific Islanders.

Locals said they are getting rather fed up of it, as its the third time this year that members of the Crouch cruising community have glued body parts to their boat, with the well publicised 'naked helming after sikaflexing' incident onboard luxury yacht Fullcircle earlier in the year receiving a great deal of publicity.

Meanwhile, the police are exploring links with an east coast resident who appears to regularly disappear off the pacific and far eastern destinations. It is believed he may be a key factor in this new fad, and is secretly distibuting hidden messages through a well known local pilotage book.

The RCYC refused to comment as they prepared for their annual Clacton Cruise

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DanTribe
17-02-11, 13:28
Report just coming in.......

A man has been arrested after being seen cruising up the Crouch with his gentalia exposed.

The man, named locally as Dan, was reported as saying that he'd forgotten about the fresh epoxy coating he'd just finished on his bow, and found himself in the unfortunate position of having glued his testicles to the bow sprit.

A large group of, mainly female, firefighters are currently employing careful use of a series of solvents in an attempt to extract him.

A firefighter spokesman described the situation as 'hard to deal with'

Its believed to be part of a strange new navigation ritual inspired by Pacific Islanders.

Locals said they are getting rather fed up of it, as its the third time this year that members of the Crouch cruising community have glued body parts to their boat, with the well publicised 'naked helming after sikaflexing' incident onboard luxury yacht Fullcircle earlier in the year receiving a great deal of publicity.

Meanwhile, the police are exploring links with an east coast resident who appears to regularly disappear off the pacific and far eastern destinations. It is believed he may be a key factor in this new fad, and is secretly distibuting hidden messages through a well known local pilotage book.

The RCYC refused to comment as they prepared for their annual Clacton Cruise

Yes, very good, but let's try and keep these fantasies of yours under control.
I don't think I would send for the fire brigade, have you seen the thing they use to take car roofs off!
Ooh er!

ChattingLil
17-02-11, 13:40
How traditional do we want to go?
I once heard a tale of a polynesian navigator who rested his scrotum on the prow of the canoe, the better to judge wave rythm.
This might be unacceptable off Frinton.

err. might be a bit out of my league.

Kilter
17-02-11, 13:44
Report just coming in.......

A man has been arrested after being seen cruising up the Crouch with his gentalia exposed.

The man, named locally as Dan, was reported as saying that he'd forgotten about the fresh epoxy coating he'd just finished on his bow, and found himself in the unfortunate position of having glued his testicles to the bow sprit.

A large group of, mainly female, firefighters are currently employing careful use of a series of solvents in an attempt to extract him.

A firefighter spokesman described the situation as 'hard to deal with'

Its believed to be part of a strange new navigation ritual inspired by Pacific Islanders.

Locals said they are getting rather fed up of it, as its the third time this year that members of the Crouch cruising community have glued body parts to their boat, with the well publicised 'naked helming after sikaflexing' incident onboard luxury yacht Fullcircle earlier in the year receiving a great deal of publicity.

Meanwhile, the police are exploring links with an east coast resident who appears to regularly disappear off the pacific and far eastern destinations. It is believed he may be a key factor in this new fad, and is secretly distibuting hidden messages through a well known local pilotage book.

The RCYC refused to comment as they prepared for their annual Clacton Cruise

:D :D :D

tillergirl
17-02-11, 14:03
Report just coming in.......

A man has been arrested after being seen cruising up the Crouch with his gentalia exposed.

The man, named locally as Dan, was reported as saying that he'd forgotten about the fresh epoxy coating he'd just finished on his bow, and found himself in the unfortunate position of having glued his testicles to the bow sprit.

A large group of, mainly female, firefighters are currently employing careful use of a series of solvents in an attempt to extract him.

A firefighter spokesman described the situation as 'hard to deal with'

Its believed to be part of a strange new navigation ritual inspired by Pacific Islanders.

Locals said they are getting rather fed up of it, as its the third time this year that members of the Crouch cruising community have glued body parts to their boat, with the well publicised 'naked helming after sikaflexing' incident onboard luxury yacht Fullcircle earlier in the year receiving a great deal of publicity.

Meanwhile, the police are exploring links with an east coast resident who appears to regularly disappear off the pacific and far eastern destinations. It is believed he may be a key factor in this new fad, and is secretly distibuting hidden messages through a well known local pilotage book.

The RCYC refused to comment as they prepared for their annual Clacton Cruise

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

FullCircle
17-02-11, 16:52
Who is the naked helmsman then?

Alchemist V274
17-02-11, 17:39
Should we also go back to Seafarer Echo sounders that read zero on the digital reading if it goes right round the dial to 20+ metres for this challenge as well? Remember stopping in fog in the Barrow Deep terrified when the digital reading read 0.9 metres when I though I was in the middle of the channel (I was - in 20.9m of water)..

Remember doing just that going down the Alderny Race - :eek:

Alchemist V274
17-02-11, 19:07
Report just coming in.......

A man has been arrested after being seen cruising up the Crouch with his gentalia exposed.

........

The RCYC refused to comment as they prepared for their annual Clacton Cruise

You've got too much time on your hands!! :D:D:D:D:D

sailorman
17-02-11, 19:14
Who is the naked helmsman then?

little Dick

millbeach
18-02-11, 02:33
Sat nav thing.

"JUMPERS FOR GOALPOSTS".

:D:D:D:D:D

Ianqv
18-02-11, 07:58
Ian - I commit not to switch my GPS on until....... I am ALL the way out of Bradwell Marina!!!

nigelm
18-02-11, 15:17
Should we also go back to Seafarer Echo sounders that read zero on the digital reading if it goes right round the dial to 20+ metres for this challenge as well? .

Oi ! i still have one of those things :eek:

but i used to sail between hullbridge and titchmarsh without using a chart or gps back in the days when we calculated our position on how many beers we had got thru :rolleyes::D:D:D

tillergirl
18-02-11, 18:00
I've upgraded to a Raymarine system. I don't need to panic anymore. It always shows 0ft!

Slow_boat
21-02-11, 09:25
I bought and fitted a second hand chartplotter three years ago. I say fitted. It sits over the chart table and switches on. Being no good at soldering, or, indeed, anything technical, I still can't get a signal.

Is Neil now telling me not to bother(please)?

Alchemist V274
11-05-11, 15:57
As many are back in the water, perhaps time to bump this back up to the top again!!

Dont hear much from Morgana these days - hope he isnt lost at sea! :p

OR4751
11-05-11, 19:00
Dont hear much from Morgana these days

Work is the curse of the sailing class :D

Jomo
11-05-11, 20:10
Work is the curse of the sailing class :D

with feeling - "Hear, hear"

Phoenix of Hamble
11-05-11, 21:29
Not lost at sea... Lost at work!

Plus a rather knackered PC due to be replaced soon...

And my hands full with boat selling and buying...

Phew... Its a wonder I've got time to eat!

fergie_mac66
11-05-11, 21:52
At least in the old days - swing that lamp - we had the wonders of Radio Direction Finding to update the DR / EP. :eek:

I did get bored on one of my trips last year and started fixing as I ran along the French coast, only every 30 minutes or so not like the 6 minute visual fixes I did from Newcastle a few weeks ago in Trumpeter (the 'new' Raider) increasing to 3 minutes when approaching / leaving harbour. No students onboard so I had to earn my keep!

Assuming I go to Calais at the end of May I'll try and remember to do that without GPS / Chart Plotter. Luckily variation is almost nothing on the East Coast!!

well perhaps you could keep a check on your pos with consol