http://www.ybw.com/forums/ en Fri, 20 Nov 2009 22:54:09 GMT vBulletin 60 http://www.ybw.com/forums/images/misc/rss.jpg http://www.ybw.com/forums/ http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220376&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:22:06 GMT I spend a bit of time repairing sails. Usual repair on Kevlar /Mylar take the form of sticky back then sew about 1/4 of an inch in around the edge of... I spend a bit of time repairing sails. Usual repair on Kevlar /Mylar take the form of sticky back then sew about 1/4 of an inch in around the edge of the tape. This does an excellent job on my sails for my quarter tonner. My son has my old Finn and a collection of "plastic" sails he has managed to semi destroy. He came in with a sample of package tape which looks very similar to the sail material in kevlar Finn sails. The tape is a 3M product that has apparently been discontinued. On hearing the product was to be discontinued a local plumber bought up all the local stock. Googling produces plenty of hits but I'm looking for comments from people who have tried this stuff on sails. We have probably all had experience of this stuff on parcels, near impossible to tear. ]]> fishermantwo http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220376 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220374&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 21:10:39 GMT Every few days we get a thread on here requesting advice on which boat should be purchased by someone new to boat ownership. Usually the enquirer... Every few days we get a thread on here requesting advice on which boat should be purchased by someone new to boat ownership. Usually the enquirer anticipates buying any boat in poor condition then spending up to 50% of a usually limited budget to upgrade it.
I think this approach is wrong for any beginner. It is based on the presumption that a boat can be bought for less than it is worth, this is rarely the case and when it is properly desirable, it will be bought by someone with experience who knows exactly what they are looking for.
After owning a variety of boats over forty odd years, starting with an Achilles 24 bare hull which took a me nearly two years to fit out and progressing through a series of new fit out projects and second hand boats, most of which were kept for at least 5 years and all but one ( a Sigma 38 I had for 12 years) of which was sold for more than I paid for it (isn't inflation wonderful) I thought I would float my thoughts on the subject for others to shoot down.
1 Good boats don't depreciate, so you can afford to spend a lot more than you think. A boat costs the difference between what you spend on it and what you can sell it for. Quality is everything, whether it is new or a seventies classic.
2 The first boat has to be foolproof while you learn all the tricks of ownership so only buy one in good condition and which is highly desirable. Meet the owner,if he is not fastidious walk away. For a first purchase the attitude of the seller to his boat is more important than any survey.
3 Recognize that if you are still sailing in the second season of ownership, you are hooked, and will almost certainly buy another and different boat within a few years, by then you might know enough to compete with the experts for a 'bargain' project yacht in the back of a boatyard. It will be easy to sell your popular marque at that time.
4 Unless you are prepared to spend an awful lot on upkeep you must be super fussy about maintenance and enjoy doing it, you can then get a reputation which will always make your boats easy to sell.
5 It is so easy to get seatime that anyone who embarks on ownership without first doing lots of sailing with a variety of crews is daft. If you sail locally you will soon learn which boats are desirable and suit the locality. Finding somewhere to keep a boat can be more difficult than finding the boat, but the guys you sail with will be able to advise, try to sail on different boats with different crews if possible.
6 The best time to buy is late summer to early spring, you then need to have identified a list of not more than 3-4 boat models to chase then allocate lots of time to inspections. Yaching magazine reviews are bland and usually disguise the downside. If you come on something outside your shortlist take time to research it thoroughly, you don't yet know how to identify a dog. Most sellers are moving on and have already identified their next boat. If you are a beginner a test sail will not tell you as much as the boats reputation, there is stacks of info. on all the popular models, but talk to owners asking them to give you the downside, there always is at least one.
7 If you buy locally from someone you decide you feel you can trust you will be able to get a lot of good free backup, most sellers of the right type enjoy helping the new owner of a boat they are proud of.
8 Don't restrict yourself to yacht brokers, they are acting for the seller, (however I now know brokers that I trust who would find me any boat I wanted and tell me the inside line.) However time and effort researching your boat hunt will save time in the end. Don't choose only on the basis of an owners recommendation, yachties love their boats, but it might not suit you, I have always loved the dinghies and yachts I have owned even after I discarded them.
9 If you like sailing then performance is important for continued enjoyment, if not why not buy a camper van. If you are required to including the wife and family make sure they are as committed as you, take them sailing first, once you start crewing you will be able to find them a ride. Dont buy shallow draught or bilge keels only because you want to take the boat home, the reality is that any cruiser over 26ft. will winter afloat or in a boat yard. (The last boat I trailed home was a fin keel Trapper 300, deepish draught but just about manageable weight, but to keep the very expensive trailer servicable for a few years we craned her out and in, except in fresh water).
10 Recognize that you are at the start of a very long and enjoyable learning curve, dont try to bluff your way, if the seller repects your honesty he is more likely to be scrupulous with you.
There is more but I will leave that to others. ]]> Quandary http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220374 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220372&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:51:02 GMT I'm looking for a first time yacht (see thread http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220042) and one of the vessels that's come to my attention is a steel hulled 32' (perhaps 40' with bowsprit) built in 1978. There was a reasonable survey report from 2007 from which it appears that the hull was epoxy coated at construction and this has been maintained.

My first question is, does anybody know anything about this model? I think that it's more a cruiser than a cruiser-racer, but I'm interested in finding out more. I've found a couple of web pages in French (I think), which is double-dutch to me.

Secondly, what are the pitfalls of a steel hull, assuming it's in good condition?

All leads and information on this model would be most appreciated. ]]> Phideaux http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220372 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220370&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:34:53 GMT Worth a look but not all the links work .. Part 1 (http://www.fram.nl/humor/sailinghumor.htm) Part 2... Worth a look but not all the links work ..

Part 1

Part 2

.. :D ]]> exfinnsailor http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220370 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220369&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 20:10:34 GMT When we were living in the UK I came across a cute UK based website which hosted stories posted by sailors, ranging from "what happened when ..." to funny stories / advice in quite a number of sections. It was quite amusing reading these mutterings. Unfortunately I have lost the webaddress and cannot remember anything about the name. Have you come across it?

I posted this story once:
We were in a marina on the UK East Coast. At around 0700hrs one morning, returning from the showers in typical British summer weather - light rain - we came across an old gentleman sailor walking towards the showers who was muttering loudly to himself
"I don't mind getting wet on the boat, but I bloody well HATE it on land!". ]]> multihullsailor6 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220369 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220355&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 18:34:00 GMT Just got back from Florida; driving down through the Key's I was reminded of the oft used expression 'island time', a sort of 'manyana' philosophy, when I saw a sign that said:

Oktoberfest Party!
November 13 thru 15.

You rarely see the concept of 'island time' so clearly defined! ]]> Salty John http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220355 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220349&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 17:26:20 GMT Given the disgruntalisation about the role of the Andrew re Indian Ocean Piracy, why not get it from the salt horse's mouth at the Cruising Association?

The Royal Navy – what did they ever do for us? by Gordon Warren.

Whilst defence of the nation is still the Navy’s major role, today they have more and more involvement in things close to yachtsmen’s interests: anti-piracy, international maritime survey work, first response for coastal and maritime disaster and mine clearance from waterways – as well as fishery protection, peace keeping, evacuation training and patrolling against drug smuggling, slavery and people trafficking. All this with fewer personnel than the Met Police. Honorary Chaplain, Gordon Warren promises humour, adventure, tragedy and drama in his talk.

9th December
http://www.cruising.org.uk/courses/lectures.shtml ]]> Twister_Ken http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220349 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220336&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:32:43 GMT What are the main differences between Reeds and the CA Almanac? Do they each suit a different sort of cruising? Or are they much of a muchness? What are the main differences between Reeds and the CA Almanac? Do they each suit a different sort of cruising? Or are they much of a muchness? ]]> jimbaerselman http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220336 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220331&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 16:06:21 GMT The scenario:

I have a 26' fin keeler that draws 1.4 metres and am after a mooring near Emsworth for next season. I have applied to the Conservancy for a deep water mooring near the visitors pontoon and am still waiting to hear after the ballot, in the meantime my sailing club have offered me one of their moorings further up Emsworth Channel.

The problem:

After an afternoon bobbing around in the dink on the mooring I am confident that it has a minimum 0.4m above LAT. Considering the tidal range of Chi Harbour, from memory big LW springs c.0.5m and LW neaps 2.0m+, and the fact that the bottom there is just really squishy mud, would you risk it?

The club mooring is much nearer the slipway and less than a quarter the price of the Conservancy one!!

Cheers in advance of your wisdom.

Tim ]]> emsworthy http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220331 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220326&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 15:37:59 GMT Got a couple of hours to kill in portsmouth where are the swindleries? ? ? ? Got a couple of hours to kill in portsmouth where are the swindleries? ? ? ? ]]> Scillypete http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220326 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220318&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 14:16:29 GMT Just been watching one of Dylan Winter's excellent videos on Youtube. Why doesn't the BBC get its act together and dump the ridiculous so called Celebs Yachting exploits and start showing some of Dylan's instead. The content, both yachty and non yachty is far superior than in recent BBC programmes. ]]> onenyala http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220318 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220315&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:47:51 GMT Have any of you tried to contact''Y/M'' by e-mail? Well there are several e-mail addresses under the editorial section of the mag. I tried three of them and all where refused acceptance by Y/M. My message to them was....Why put Nov events which had passed into Dec Mag.
Have a look.

Peter ]]> rivonia http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220315 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220313&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:36:26 GMT The house is sold, the new one's been bought and the paperwork is nearly completed.
My thoughts can now turn to boats (with SWMBOs full permission and encouragement).
I should say that I am an in-experienced novice (dazed skip only) and this will be my first boat. I will have some experienced helpers though :cool:
My instinct, budget, type of use and mooring options are moving me to consider 20/30 ft Moodys. Hope for a bilge keel (drying etc.). Do bilge/fin keels have any particular (dis)advantages over one another?
There are 4 or 5 for sale so I intend to begin the process of selection and/or compare options, not quite ready to hand over the money yet :eek:
Does anyone have comments or suggestions about my next move.
E.G. Is a cheaper boat better and leave cash to upgrade or go for the best equipped within budget. Are there things that should prevent me from considering a particular boat (major structural failures aside); like unknown age of sails etc.
Any advice would be gratefully received ]]> tokenjam http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220313 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220312&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:33:52 GMT CEO of the Marine Management Organisation (http://www.leadthemmo.co.uk/content.asp?page=4) CEO of the Marine Management Organisation ]]> Twister_Ken http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220312 http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220311&goto=newpost Fri, 20 Nov 2009 13:28:23 GMT Have any of you tried to contact ''Practical Boatowner'' by e-mail? Well I have sent three e-mails to three different address's which are under the editorial column. My e-mail asked WHY advertise Nov events in Dec issue? Result.... Not able to deliver your e-mail. Hmm I wonder why

Peter ]]> rivonia http://www.ybw.com/forums/showthread.php?t=220311