Grehan
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Reged: 11/06/2001
Posts: 1127
Loc: Inland France
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What's happened to the good old clunky problematic YBW search facility?
Now it's been Googlefied!
I enter a term and I get one YBW result (????) (no forum choice, no date range choice, no search term choice) and twenty Google adverts.
This is not an improvement . . .
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BrendanS
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Reged: 11/06/2002
Posts: 36768
Loc: Me: Wilts. Boat: Lymington
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You must have used a very unique word to get only one return. I've just been playing with it and it works fine. First search I did 'motor' got 18,000 results.
I went looking for some threads such as the Wareham meet I attended years ago, and found it with ease, which used to be very difficult with the old search engine
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See http://www.frappr.com/ybw to add yourself to the forum map
and as everyone else is doing it
www.plaintalkconsulting.co.uk
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kimhollamby
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Reged: 16/05/2001
Posts: 3847
Loc: London (at work)
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Hi Grehan
Without going into too many gory details the old search killed the whole database more often than not. Plus we moved to a different kind of database where the Threads standard search isn't even possible.
We're still working with the ybw guys about the timing of a potential move to a new forum platform that has been developed here but meantime we might stick with Google search or it might be an option later on to place some more advanced tools on the site using some separate technology.
Meantime you should find browsing and posting has improved by a significant factor.
Kim
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Grehan
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Reged: 11/06/2001
Posts: 1127
Loc: Inland France
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I typed in "window overhaul" (without the quotation marks) from within the Practical Boatowner forum and got just the one result . . http://www.google.co.uk/custom?domains=w...A1%3B&hl=en
and a whole bunch of double glazing company adverts.
Blinking useless, in my book !! 
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B175Chris
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Reged: 06/06/2006
Posts: 6055
Loc: B'ham + Port Grimaud
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It's not as if YBW have any choice over the adverts - It's like moaning at ITV for having them when otherwise you'd have to pay for the programmes yourself...
The forums are faster, that's what we wanted, and Dan has said the next step will be to move the forum (I think)...
The new search is much better than the old one anyway, and saves me having to type Site:ybw.com into Google every time 
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I think you'll find it goes without Sailing
"Les Freres Heureux?"
"The Happy Brothers! It's homey, but just hard enough to pronounce to intimidate the riff-raff!"
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pac
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Reged: 22/01/2006
Posts: 778
Loc: Saltash, Cornwall, UK, Europe,...
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IT IS AWEFUL!
This is a HUGE step backwards and will make use of the forum for research when looking for answers to questions we might have almost impossible.
Without the ability to select the forum and perhaps a date range you will get everything back from every forum... not very useful.
Also, even once the results are shown it is very difficult to determine if a post is potentially useful because there is no indication of which forum iti s from and the fact that the words "Yachting and Boating World forums" is on the front of every title means that more often than not the full title isn't even visible.
I do recognise that the old search may have been a major contributor to the performance issues but IMO this is not a solution. One of the biggest values of the forums to the membership is to be able to search on the wealth of knowledge that has been posted over time and this is woefully inadequate.
I really don't mean to just have a go and criticise. As an experienced MSSQL database designer and administrator I know that full text searches are very resource intensive but the solution isn't to remove the functionality if that is one of the primary benefits of the database in the first place.
Please develop a solution that allows for similar search parameters as before and presents the results in a way that reflects the search parameters so that they are useable.
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petem
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Reged: 16/05/2001
Posts: 2782
Loc: ation, Loc: ation, Loc: ation.
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.....move to a new forum platform that has been developed here.....
Oh my God, Please don't say you've coded one from scratch.
Pete
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kimhollamby
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Reged: 16/05/2001
Posts: 3847
Loc: London (at work)
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erm...possibly :-)
http://www.goodtoknow.co.uk/chat
Can be customised anyway we want to cut them, version here is simplified with a lot of the bells and whistles left off.
Mind you finally made these ones fly thanks to converting tables to InnoDB, so if everyone here prefers the old carpet slippers we can stay with these boards for a bit longer. I'll let Dan conduct the vote!
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BrendanS
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Reged: 11/06/2002
Posts: 36768
Loc: Me: Wilts. Boat: Lymington
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Just signed in and had a look. Not too bad, but not as good as a proper threaded site. It does say which person the reply was too, but not which post.
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See http://www.frappr.com/ybw to add yourself to the forum map
and as everyone else is doing it
www.plaintalkconsulting.co.uk
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kimhollamby
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Reged: 16/05/2001
Posts: 3847
Loc: London (at work)
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We can do threaded, it was left off that version as the brief was to do a stripped down version.
They'll be a full fat version we can point you at within in a month or so, code is done, we just need to create the templates
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