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DogWatch
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1GM10 exhaust weld broken
      #1866408 - 21/05/2008 04:33

I wrote this in reply to another thread, but think it may be worth it's own as it could save someone's engine

Here is where I am at...

My port 1GM10 has been getting progressively more difficult to start since around September last year. It has 472 hours and is 5 years old. I had been through the fuel system and had run out of ideas. I contacted Rob Walker, who over the telephone diagnosed the fault and is now a bit of a hero!

After speaking to the Engineer, Rob Walker at HMES Pwllheli he immediately suspected the exhaust, oh the Achilles heel of the 1GM10.

He suggested from what I had tried and the fact the engine felt like it had compression, though when I thought about this, my swmbo was the one who turned it over.. I forgot to take into account that she is a girlie. I can turn a 9hp diesel over just, I doubt she could.

So low compression. Rob suggested that the 1GM10 is renowned for taking a gulp from the exhaust when you shut down, if your levels are bad and no water lock fitted this can mean any water left sat in the down pipe gets sucked back up. I was confident that my installation should have meant this can't happen, steep down hill to the water lock and then up and out.

But..

If the exhaust elbow breaks, things are not so rosy. Inside the 1GM10 pipe is a sleeve to direct the water away from the manifold joint and thus the cylinder head.

Here is what I found.


As you see the sleeve which is meant to be welded to the manifold has broken away. Here is is alongside the down pipe.


Here we see the water inlet from the outlet of the anti-syphon valve. Note the proximity to the manifold, I found the sleeve inside the rubber pipe near to the water-lock. This meant water was pretty much gushing into the exhaust valve guide.


So I took the head off, and sure enough the exhaust valve was ruined (corroded), the pre-combustion chamber had rust all over it, the top of the cylinder was pitted with rust. Rob is now reworking the head, at least when it comes back from the shop, new guides and a good clean, new valves, new gaskets, exhaust to be welded.

Oh joy. Well, he thinks I may have it back by this weekend, so there is the silver lining.

I was surprised how easy the engine is to strip, this is a 5 year old motor, I am more used to this intensity with old high mileage cars, it was rather nice that bolts just undid without hassle.

Why am I writing this, well, if you start to have starting problems, or maybe even as part of routine maintenance, I would now suggest, inspect that weld on the exhaust, don't leave it like I did, it could mean a new head, mine has not corroded past the surface, but it could have done.

Hope this helps.


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Clifford_Pope
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Re: 1GM10 exhaust weld broken [Re: DogWatch]
      #1866469 - 21/05/2008 08:32

Thanks for that tip. It's certainly something I will watch on my newly-installed 1GM10.
Considering the Yanmar price of a replacement exhaust piece, it's surprising that there is no remanufactured alternative available. It wouldn't cost that much to have one made in stainless, or some appropriate metal ?
Why does the water outlet have to be so close to the engine, and on a curved section of pipe? Why not 6" downstream, on a straight section? The upper, uncooled length could be lagged if that were a problem.


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Tranona
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Re: 1GM10 exhaust weld broken [Re: Clifford_Pope]
      #1866512 - 21/05/2008 09:19

I am not sure why this happens, but it seems quite common. My 1GM has been in my boat since 1992 and in another for 2 years prior to that. I have a similar exhaust set up with an anti syphon in a loop and a fall to a Vetus water lock.

No problems (so far!!!) with the elbow. On a recent thread on the subject, somebody had a stainless one made with a more conventional water injection at an angle into the bend. Not sure how well it worked.


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saddle_tramp
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Re: 1GM10 exhaust weld broken [Re: DogWatch]
      #1866714 - 21/05/2008 12:29

There may be some similarities with a post I put up a couple of weeks ago as an update to a smoking perkins.

My friend found that the exhaust elbow was reduced to about 1/2 inch dia near the water inlet. It had not built up evenly along the elbow though. Could be that this ring of carbon retains the some water which over time will rust through. He was told that is caused by running too slow.
Had the same symptoms, black smoke, after the previous winter a good 4 hour run at high revs burnt it out.

Point to watch is even if you can stick something up the lower end of the elbow and it appears clear it could still be restricted near the manifold.

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wiggy
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Re: 1GM10 exhaust weld broken [Re: DogWatch]
      #1866903 - 21/05/2008 14:51

Snap!!! Hapened to me last year cost over a grand to sort out !

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Re: 1GM10 exhaust weld broken [Re: wiggy]
      #1866932 - 21/05/2008 15:17

Quote:

Snap!!! Hapened to me last year cost over a grand to sort out !




wow!

Did you have to buy a new head?


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Re: 1GM10 exhaust weld broken [Re: DogWatch]
      #1867147 - 21/05/2008 18:51

I fitted the optional (and VERY expensive) high level exhaust to mine.....I replaced a Volvo MD1b with the 1GM10......and a side effect ids that the unit is bronze and well away from the exhaust manifold. If you have to replace the standard exhaust bend anyway, why not fit the high level one for peace of mind?

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Re: 1GM10 exhaust weld broken [Re: Topcat47]
      #1867186 - 21/05/2008 19:32

I will see how the modification goes, Rob has modified a few of these, including moving the inlet further down the pipe and angeling it a tad to direct water flow.

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Re: 1GM10 exhaust weld broken [Re: DogWatch]
      #1867187 - 21/05/2008 19:32

unfortunately yes and whilst it was being done also had new bearings and a re-spay, in fact it was nearer £1500. Got engineers, Alan Dibley,based at Hayling Yacht company (not actually HYC) to do it. But that's a sore point, enough said that I couln't recommend them to others.

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