Dave_Tucker
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Red Diesel will still be available at low duty rates if the vessel is commercial.
Does any one know how commercial is to be defined.
For example if I decide to start a business taking photographs from my boat of the coast etc. in the hope that I can sell them; would this be allowable.
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sarabande
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the usual test is how much % of the time is the vessel engaged on business work, and how much on personal.
I don't think the Rev 'n C people would be happy to see 90% business without an associated profit and loss statement. Maybe your accountant could advise on how much you might be expected to make from marine photography, and what sort of expenses are fully and wholly justifiable.
I think that somewhere in the regulations, the Customs have powers to seize a vessel if it is using illegal red. That's certainly the case for farm vehicles 
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Sneddon
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But legal red and illeagle red will look the same, how would anyone tell?
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whisper
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Can you tell me please, in what circumstances do farm vehicles use illegal red?
I ask the question as I'm soon to be a part-time farmer. 
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sarabande
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If you use red in a Landrover that spends almost all its time on the farm, that's OK, but when you use it on the road, then ooops.
Which is why we use white diesel in the Mule.
A proper tractor is OK for red ,but has a limit of 6km/day, I believe, before it should use white.
Rev'n C often wait outside farmers' markets and check tanks.
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solentphill
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They also walk round ag show car parks taking swabs from the exhaust pipe outlet.
does a business have to make a profit? if you have good intent of it making and seen to do the right things then??
but as we know this is just another part of a big con that has not been thought out right, I was joking with someone over the weekend as he filled m eup and said if you fill me up after Nov with 500 Lts put me down as commercial, I will give you £50 cash each time no questions asked, he said as long as I do over weekends last thing.
Just goes to show its not what you know. I guess if darling gets a few mill from us he wont care what happens and the more they chase the more it will cost.
Unless your followed in 3 yrs time you are out at sea and get a visit and they check who knows where your fuel has come from and how can they prove it.
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rubberduck
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My new business is to be counting the little fishes to see if they are being over fished. I might even get a small grant to help.  
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whisper
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Thanks, that's what I thought.
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adrianm
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Reading in PBO that C & E want paper trails back to each individual boat. I expect commercial boats will have to produce some sort of registration at fill up.
When they see a huge increase in class 1 registered boats I expect they'll start demanding to see invoices for services rendered etc as happened in Spain a few years ago.
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wotayottie
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Cant help but think that if we really fiddle the proposed system, we will end up having to use white just like everyone else in the EU.
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