Wow, I think you have absolutly hit the nail on the head, The sweden 38 looks perfect I have long had a love affair with sweden yachts but not the wallet to match, though this does fall in to my budget (just) Also the Grand Soleil 38 and 42 look like really viable options. Does anyone have any experience spending time sailing and living on these boats as I have never real come that close to them? what is their build quality like, how do they sail, what sort of stowage do they have, any other comments about them? thanks for this folks I am really pumped now