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Tony - Not always that black and white.... Whereas I agree in this particular situation with an hour to go before high tide and coming in WITH the tide there was absolutely no need to push, so severe b@llocking is due. But sometimes when leaving Teddington to go outbound and wait for the booms to go up at Richmond, the tide is still coming in for another hour or so and hence you are punching the tide, and have approx 2hours to make St Kats within the lock cycle before they shut and you are stuck out on the river all night. In that situation you have very little alternative but to keep within the 8knots limit. Mike |