| Swissnic |
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Hi guys,
After all your help, and spending hours and hours trawling the internet for every boat available under 20k which would make a good liveaboard - I still agree with the advice on getting a Westerly Renown - almost perfect (just a little less pretty than I was hoping).
THEN...
I found this: http://www.yachtsnet.co.uk/boats/k6627/k6627.htm
Am I missing something, because she looks perfect!!! Can you give me your thoughts, and what is wrong with her.
I am planning to go have a look tomorrow, so any pertinant questions for the owner or broker would be appreciated...
Cheers, Nic.
| tarik |
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| 11/05/2008 20:52 |
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Go for it - it looks terrific, plenty of character.
????? Survey report?
Good luck
David
| bazonbeleza |
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| 11/05/2008 21:04 |
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very nice boat, looks like is been well looked after.
| Grehan |
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| 11/05/2008 21:05 |
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yes, a nice looking boat at a good price too.
| mogy |
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| 11/05/2008 21:07 |
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the Westerly is so boreing in comparison..but so much less work.Really have clear what you want and can cope with.
| Talbot |
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| 11/05/2008 21:35 |
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One thing with a wooden boat, you will never have to worry about being bored, there will always be something else to do!. The there is the delight of water leeking through the deckhead, or even between the planking if woring hard to windward. Sailing like it is supposed to be - but I am a wimp, and prefer to remain dry.
She does look nice though
| Swissnic |
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| 11/05/2008 22:31 |
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Hmmmmm - thanks for the heads up on Wood... My full-time job takes up 80% of my time, and my own company takes up the other 20%. I am looking for maintenance-free, and when something goes wrong - a telephone call to the friendly neighbourhood boatyard to fix it is about all I want to do!
So it's back to the old and trusty Renown! I think fate is trying to tell me something, so maybe I should listen!!!
Thanks again chaps!
| TigaWave |
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| 12/05/2008 07:28 |
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As its your first boat and you have said you will be upgrading at some point get the Renown it will be much easier to sell quickly than the beutiful wooden boat.
If you want a boat for the next 10-20 years of hard work but admiring looks then get the wooden boat!
| Swissnic |
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| 12/05/2008 09:21 |
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As its your first boat and you have said you will be upgrading at some point get the Renown it will be much easier to sell quickly than the beutiful wooden boat.
If you want a boat for the next 10-20 years of hard work but admiring looks then get the wooden boat!
Spot on! Im coming to the conclusiong that I want a 40ft Long keel GRP blue water cruiser - and that I need a lot more budget than i have... This purchase is a stepping-stone, rather than a keeper - but this leads to other questions... Would a smaller 25-28ft do for 6 motnhs whilst the blue water fund is generated? e.g.
http://www.boatshed.com/offshore_8_metre-boat-27337.html
| Mac77 |
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| 12/05/2008 11:53 |
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smaller 25-28ft do for 6 motnhs whilst the blue water fund is generated? (quote)
In the same situation and have found that the stepping stone idea does not work. You will need to start spending money on any boat you buy and then it is when do you stop, you wont want to lose what you have spent and wont want the hassle of selling. As you say you have spent months trawling sites already. You don't want to have to do it all again in a few months.
Biased view but have you thought about a Moody 33. Loads of room for 1 person. They are early £20's so a bit over budget but worth looking at.
| phanakapan |
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| 12/05/2008 12:19 |
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smaller 25-28ft do for 6 motnhs whilst the blue water fund is generated? (quote)
In the same situation and have found that the stepping stone idea does not work. You will need to start spending money on any boat you buy and then it is when do you stop, you wont want to lose what you have spent and wont want the hassle of selling. As you say you have spent months trawling sites already. You don't want to have to do it all again in a few months.
Biased view but have you thought about a Moody 33. Loads of room for 1 person. They are early £20's so a bit over budget but worth looking at.
Ahem.. naughty to mention it but my Moody 33 is for sale.... she is indeed a perfect liveaboard, and could take you further afield as well....
| Mac77 |
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| 12/05/2008 12:36 |
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That's settled then.
Seriously though what better way to spend a sunny day than sailing in the company of another forumite. It could result in the sale of a boat and 2 happy people or a lasting friendship forged in the cockpit of a Moody 33 and 2 happy people.
Over to your chaps.
(am I over doing this?)
| Jonny_H |
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| 12/05/2008 12:50 |
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smaller 25-28ft do for 6 months whilst the blue water fund is generated?
6 months isn't very long - if thats all the wait is going to be then why not just hold off and buy what you really want. Finding the right boat took us 4 or 5 months. Also consider that preparing any boat you get will take a while - we've spent 18 months refitting and still have a list of jobs to do before we leave (in 9 weeks time - yeah
)If you really want to do bluewater cruising I think you'll find a 'stepping stone' boat will swallow a lot of your budget (you will loose money on her on mooring fees, repairs, upgrades etc overall) and time.
Finally, I'm sure you've worked this one out, but just in case, what ever you spend on the boat you can add easily 10% if not 20% for the re-fit that will follow to get her upto your standards. We bought a 'ready to sailaway' boat and spent 18 months and around 15% of her purchase price getting her how we want her (lots of little things add up quickly - new batteries, replace a water pump, add a new anchor, fit a new GPS, buy an EPIRB etc).
There was a thread on this forum a few months back something along the lines of 'what did you pay, what did you spend kitting out' ... I'm sure someone more adapt than me can find on using the new search engine thingy!
I would be tempted to spend the 6 months looking at lots of different boats, save up the money, and buy the boat you really want. In the current market there is no rush to buy, take your time and find something you really want - the boat you see tomorrow will probably still be on the market in 2 months time, so don't rush into buying something thats not what you ideally want.
Jonny
| Swissnic |
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| 12/05/2008 15:59 |
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To the Moody Match-makers: LOL - Yes! I have considered a Moody 33 - and I really liked what I saw (yet to visit one in real life though). The only thing that is missing from my Wish List is the keel - I really would prefer a long keel over a fin - but I dont want to start another argument here about that...
Re. Waiting for 6 months: The reason I am looking for one now, is that I start a new contract in June near Cardiff and need somewhere to stay during the week (as I live in London). I can either throw money at hotels/B&B/Rent or throw a lot less at the Marina and spend the rest on doing up the boat.
On the flip side, I wont to buy a Contessa 32 / Sadler 34 but need to add about £40k to my budget. I can save that in 6 months, but by that time, my contract could be over and I would no longer need accommodation in Cardiff... Ovbiously, the love to sail would still be there, but I would have lost my financial justification for the purchase.
phanakapan : I like your pushyness
PM me with more details / website for photos and we can talk...
| Mac77 |
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| 12/05/2008 16:04 |
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phanakapan : I like your pushyness
I knew it. They are getting along like a horse on fire
| farquart |
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| 12/05/2008 16:32 |
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Ah the wooden boat trap they look lovely, kind of like owning a vintage motor car. I would love to own one but cant be doing with the up keep, So its platic fantastic for me.
If you are still going to have a look give me a shout as I live down the road from the boat.
| Troutbridge |
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| 13/05/2008 09:43 |
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I think I missed something here Nic, are you looking for a boat to temporarily live on for six months in Cardiff or are you planning on buying a Blue Water Cruiser & eventually following the Trade Winds? Two entirely different concepts.
| Swissnic |
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| 13/05/2008 13:12 |
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I think I missed something here Nic, are you looking for a boat to temporarily live on for six months in Cardiff or are you planning on buying a Blue Water Cruiser & eventually following the Trade Winds? Two entirely different concepts.
No - you got it right
I have a 6 month contract in Cardiff and need a crash-pad. I also want to get backinto sailing. And I have an ambition of crossing the atlantic single handed.
I was initially think to get a liveaboard trainer, and then move to a more suitable blue water cruiser, but it seems that would involve a fair amount of wasted money.
For the sake of living out of a B&B for 3 months, I can double my budget from 15k to 30k, and get something like the Moody 33.
This (I think) would then fulfill all of the above criteria. I understand that more would need to be invested to bring the equipment upto scratch, but I would prefer to do this for a keeper over a temporary purchase.
Does that sorta make sense?
| jonic |
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| 13/05/2008 13:18 |
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If you can stretch to around 40, I can point you in the direction of an Atlantic ready Contessa 32
| Swissnic |
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| 13/05/2008 14:24 |
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If you can stretch to around 40, I can point you in the direction of an Atlantic ready Contessa 32
Sorry - going to 30k is stretching more than I really want... I also want Atlantic capable, not necessarily Atlantic-ready, as I want to kit out the electronics myself. I design complex computer systems specialising in communications, so this would be a bit of an R&D project for me
| jonic |
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| 13/05/2008 16:01 |
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Ok, no this one has already completed an Atlantic circuit so has SSB etc onboard. If your budget is 30k, it will certainly be a waste of too much of that to buy a training boat first.
I'll pm you if anything suitable comes up. Good luck with your venture. We'll be back in the Caribbean later this year so may see you there.
| sundancer123 |
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| 13/05/2008 21:55 |
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My perfect choice would be a finnsailer 38..........but then I am biased..!
| TigaWave |
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| 14/05/2008 07:48 |
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I've seen smaller and less capable boats than renowns happily cross the Atlantic? I'd take one if all the essentials were sorted. Maybe a couple of weeks work.
| Avalon |
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| 16/05/2008 17:54 |
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For £20k you could get a reasonable Nicholson 32. For £25k you could probably get an Excalibur 36. Personally I'm biased in favour of Excaliburs, but the Nick is an excellent seaworthy boat (and kind of matches your name too).