Wiggo
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22/01/2004 11:38
South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

OK, I checked with management, and our lot have committments through the end of July, so we're planning to take the first two weeks in August. Sorry, tcm, looks like you'll miss it.

Dates are therefore:

Depart Sat 31st July
Return Sunday 15th Aug

We would like to get down to Falmouth at some point, so if we cross the channel, we should probably do it from Poole, Weymouth or maybe Brixham.

One planned route might be:
Solent-Poole-Weymouth-Brixham-Plymouth-Falmouth-Brixham-Guernsey-Jersey-France (any ideas?)-Poole.

Open to suggestions, or other itineraries. Aim is to build a route with plenty of known child friendly locations (e.g. good beaches, kids menus in restaurants etc), and not too many long runs with nothing to do but watch the fuel guages go down.
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Nick2
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22/01/2004 22:31
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

I think that is a good plan and may now result in Joanne and I agreeing to go on holiday together .....

Keep us posted please

Nick
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DepSol
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22/01/2004 22:33
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

Jersey Marina not that nice IMHO opinion, plenty of private beaches lagoons etc aroud Herm and Sark with caves to explore and lots of beach stuff to do for kids.

Might join you guys for trip to France best leave Normandy out and do Brittany IMHO.

any way I will be in Aldeney for first part of August no doubt could use that as a lunch time rendezvous for a break

Dom

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Wiggo
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23/01/2004 09:43
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

If it helps, point out that there are some very nice jewellers in St Peter Port. Sue nearly bankrupted me there last time
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Nick2
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23/01/2004 10:00
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

Thats not a major problem for me - so long as there is not a branch of John Lewis there we should be OK.

Nick
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milltech
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23/01/2004 11:07
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

That looks like 10 Ports-of-Call in 15 days. Allowing for weather disruption at some point it looks ambitious to me, especailly if any socialising is involved, kids making friends, that sort of thing. Personally I'd say leave out the West Country or leave out France and C.I.

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Nick2
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23/01/2004 11:10
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

Good point - Gurnsey no big deal eh ? ;-)
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Wiggo
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23/01/2004 12:03
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

Quite right. T'were only a suggestion. Personally, we'd like to get down to Falmouth, as that's where we bought the boat, and the kids loved the Brixham/Dartmouth/Salcombe area.

Ref the CI's, the issue we had last time was that the marinas are so damn full, if you get in, you daren't go out during the day exploring in case you can't get back in again that night. Any ideas on that one, anyone?
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Wiggo
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23/01/2004 13:30
Possible Itinerary?

My thoughts are:

Day 1 (Sat). Meet Newtown Creek-ish, overnight Yarmouth
Day 2. Studland, buggering about on the beach. Overnight on anchor or Poole if wimps
Day 3. Round the corner to the Kimmeridge beaches. Lunch in Lulworth Cove, Weymouth overnight.
Day 4. Weymouth. Plenty to do, and a nice enough beach.
Day 5. Dep Weymouth. Brixham by lunch/early afternoon.
Day 6. Salcombe for lunch, back to Brixham
Day 7. Blackpool Sands, then on to Plymouth.
Day 8 (Sat). Fowey for lunch, down to Falmouth
Day 9. Leave Falmouth for Dartmouth. Overnight Dartmouth.
Day 10. Dartmouth to Weymouth, via Lyme Regis for lunch.
Day 11. Weymouth to St Peter Port
Day 12. St Peter Port
Day 13. St Peter Port
Day 14. St Peter Port - Poole/Solent
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hagrid
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23/01/2004 16:07
Re: Possible Itinerary?

Were up for that AMANDA may need some coaxing on the CI run but the rest she is cools with

Andy


joanne2
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23/01/2004 16:18
Re: Possible Itinerary?

Sounds great - have told Nick to book time off work and I'll do the same.

Joanne


milltech
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23/01/2004 16:57
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

My family used to have a house in St. Mawes so whilst I'm not a real fan of Falmouth I do like St. Mawes and also The Helford river is a great place, though one needs to anchor well up in Easterlies.

The Ferry Boat Inn at Helford has an annually variable standard of catering, never quite sure till you get there, but very children friendly, dead end road etc., and then there the Shipwrights across the river.
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DepSol
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23/01/2004 17:30
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

Let me sort that out. Will complain AGAIN to harbour master. Had a fit once on Chris P s birthday when they wouldnt let one boat out of the three to go to Herm on.

I am on to it.
Dom

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Nick2
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23/01/2004 17:36
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

Was that the harbour master whom I met at SBS ? ;-)

Nick
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DepSol
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23/01/2004 21:47
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

Nah he and I had a nice chat a few years back.

I am talking about Capt Barton as the guy you spoke to will prob never get the job as H/master. Altho he is a lovely chap
Dom

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duncan
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26/01/2004 20:40
Re: Possible Itinerary?

Dartmouth - Weymouth - St Peter Port seems a very large triangle...........


Wiggo
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27/01/2004 13:03
Re: Possible Itinerary?

60 odd miles to a side, or thereabouts, I think.
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Col
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27/01/2004 17:58
Re: Possible Itinerary?

I'm not at all adverse to those sort of distances, but what about younger kiddies?
Maybe a bit ambitious. I would suggest legs of no more than say 30-35 miles, after all it's not the distance, but the quality of the whole event.
Personally, I would head west and leapfrog ports on the way down, and do the ones you missed out on the way back. Either that or do the C.I bit and leave out W country. Wotcha fink?
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Nick2
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27/01/2004 19:48
This is an old post by LJS which is worth a read..

Nick, once you're sure that you've sorted out any engine problems why not just pootle along the coast, having chosen a good weather window. No need to rush, call in at a few other places on the way, you'll be surprised how easy it will seem.

Maybe call in at Weymouth for the cheapest fuel on the south coast, creep around Portland Bill about 50- 100 yards off and then hug the coast around Lyme Bay, maybe stop for lunch in Lyme Regis, use a visitors buoy and dinghy to the Cobb, good food and drink in the Cobb Arms. Then onwards past Beer (you could well find Blue Fisher somewhere between Lyme and Exmouth on one of our favourite dive sites), maybe call into Exmouth for a pint, you can always moor alongside me or use my mooring if I'm not there. From my mooring it's only about 20 yards onto Dawlish Warren which has great sandy beaches, but watch out for the currents. The sand dunes are great, easy to find a secluded bit all to yourself even at the busiest times. Have a good explore, there's ponds, loads of wildlife and even a golf course!

Then on to Teignmouth, only go in around high water, but well worth the effort, pretty, good beaches and some good pubs on the quay. Next on to Babbacombe tucked away in the corner of the bay only a few miles away from Torquay. There's a little pier that you can tie up to at high tide, or else anchor 50 yards or so off at low water, with an excellent pub only 50 yards or so away. And a few hundred yards away is a cliff railway, up to the top for some great views. There are often dolphins around this area, an added bonus.

Then round the corner to Torbay, not my favourite place although Brixham is interesting in places, particularly recommended is Brixham Yacht Club, fantastic views of the bay with good food and a good choice of beers. From there a short hop around to Dartmouth, maybe stopping at Scabbacombe sands for the girls to play (watch out for the nudists!) and then into Dartmouth, loads of places to stop, or for somewhere a bit quieter up to Dittisham or again at high water, all the way to Totnes.

Leaving Dartmouth for Salcombe you have some great beaches in Start Bay, Blackpool Sands being one of the best. Look out for the abandoned houses at Hallsands, lots of history there. Creep around Start Point avoiding the Skerries and Salcombe is just around the corner. Look for the wreckage on Prawle point, an old ship which broke its tow some years ago. Salcombe has some of the best beaches in the country with golden sands and clear water, and always somewhere sheltered to moor or anchor.

There you have it, Lyme Bay and beyond in easy steps, all great fun and not at all difficult in settled weather. Give it a go, you will enjoy it, or else your money back!!

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Wiggo
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28/01/2004 09:04
Re: Possible Itinerary?

CI is no big deal with the kids. Weymouth/Poole/Dartmouth-SPP is only 3-4 hours. We tried the 35 mile legs, but there are no beaches mid-channel, sadly.

Suggested the CI thing as there are some channel virgins. I'd be happy to do the run Nick/LJS suggested for a week, and then hop over to CIs. SWMBO wants to go further west, as well. Then again, I want to get over to France, too...


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hagrid
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28/01/2004 14:21
Re: Possible Itinerary?

Im easy I think the kids will enjoy being all together whereever we end up, I know Amanda is a little concerned about doing the CI but hopefully this oncern will lapse. I would like to get over to france and the CI but also am keen to be relaxed. I guess a lot will depend on weather etc... but we will all get there

Andy


Wiggo
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28/01/2004 15:53
Re: Possible Itinerary?

CI seems to be terrible mental barrier. Perceived problems include huge tidal ranges, rocks everywhere, strong currents, Dom, you name it...

It's OK once you've been there once. Even Dom.
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Col
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28/01/2004 16:36
Re: Possible Itinerary?

Going to CI / France is no problem at all Guernsey is 5hrs from the Hamble (approx) I just think you are trying to cram too many sea miles in, and my fear is that we would be spending most of the time at sea, rather than enjoying the change of view.
My daughter is nearly 15, can handle the boat, and has done many, many sea miles. My worry is for the younger ones like Nicks 2 girls.

Maybe I'm a sounding a bit over cautious about it all. If others are happy then I will go with the flow on this.

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Wiggo
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28/01/2004 17:09
Re: Possible Itinerary?

Err, no, that's fine. Object of the forum is to promote discussion, innit. What would you drop? What would your itinerary be?
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Nick2
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28/01/2004 17:23
Re: Possible Itinerary?

Col I appreciate your note of caution and concern.

Its just that my girls will be ok but not so sure about me!

Thanks

Nick
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joanne2
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28/01/2004 18:00
Re: Possible Itinerary?

Any more than 2 hours and the girls will be bored!!

The only way they will last for longer I believe is if it is a beautiful flat day.

Joanne


Col
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28/01/2004 20:21
Re: Possible Itinerary?

Choice of 2 really, either France + CI, or the West country.
I can prob only manage a week off at a time, so I would either catch up with you wherever you are or cut & run early. Will largely depend on final date.

Joannes mentioned boredom. Out of sight of land there is not much to see.
Don't forget, it will be 5 hrs to St P/port, or 4 hrs Cherbourg or Alderney (There's not much to do in Bray)
There is a park next to the marina in Cherbourg which would be good for a footy match.

The question is, Do we go W.country and have short manageable hops, or do we go X channel, or do we indeed try and do it all.

I only wanted to raise what I see as potential "logistical problems" As I said I will go with the flow, but input needed from others.

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Nick2
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28/01/2004 20:31
Re: Possible Itinerary?

West county as in LJS post sounds wonderful to us...

Nick
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hagrid
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28/01/2004 22:26
Re: Possible Itinerary?

We will go with flow, although the kids will want to be entertained, I would like to do both but feel it may be a lot...

If we did france and CI could get to see some nice places and drink some good vino? on lazy beaches but then again the west country in sounds good to, I guess I am to inexperienced to make a call as never been to either before but am looking forward to the trip

Andy


Col
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29/01/2004 17:09
Re: Possible Itinerary?

Andy
Pros & cons

France
France wins hands down for food & drink!
Crossing to Cherbourg is about 4 hrs and makes a good springing off point the next morning for either
1/
To Barfleur for food & drink then St Vaast for the night tide permitting (a trip on the amphibious thingy is a laugh) Then on to the Normandy beaches (see where the D day landings took place) Lots of WW2 history for the adults, and sandy, gently sloping beaches for the kiddies. The Mulburry harbour at Arromanches is a good stopping point. There is also a D day museum there. On to Ouistraham for the night and next morning up the canal to see Pegasus bridge (the longest day) then on up the canal to Caen for the ladies to do their shopping (this would take 1day+) maybe over night in Caen (nice marina) Next, maybe on to Honfleur which is very pretty. If not so keen on the WW2 stuff can miss it out and just stay on the beaches.

2/ Head around to CI Lots to see and do on Herm & Sark each will need a day, and again good beaches. St Peter port drops you in the heart of Guernsey, again ladies will appreciate the shopping. (Good base to visit Dielette & Carteret) Evening, eat in the Sawati if you like curry.

3/ Make the crossing to st PP (5hrs) Visit all the above CI suggestions, then work our way back around Cherbourg to do the stopovers suggested in 1/ above.


W. Country.
Really need to read LJS's post as he has some excellent suggestions.

LJS fairly well covered W country, and I have given ideas of whats available France / CI. and each place mentioned warrants a day (unless stated as a food & drink stop) It's now up to everyone else to make their feelings & preferences known.

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hagrid
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29/01/2004 17:38
Re: Possible Itinerary?

Col,

The facts are greatly detailed and we will go with the flow? I guess at least with 6 months to go we can say we have two good potential runs, which if agreed by all can be dependant on long range weatehr, I dont think Mr Fish can predict teh forcast for the first two weeks of August?

My prediction is however fantastic weather, good beer, fine wine and fantastic compnay and great food... so counting the days

Andy


duncan
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29/01/2004 20:34
Re: Possible Itinerary?

I just don't see how you can base a decison simply on the quality, and quantity, of food and drink..............


Col
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29/01/2004 23:01
Re: Possible Itinerary?

You should know...........
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DepSol
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30/01/2004 07:17
Re: Possible Itinerary?

Personally I wouldlook at it two ways with an open mind as this is what we do when we are on hols.

If the weather window looks good then come to C I if it dont look so good then stick around the south coast. Plenty to do here in the sun and I can even show you your own private beaches here if thats what you want ...speak to Col he knows the score as he has spent time around here.

France from here no problem also think of the cost your boats are going to be £16 per night all in over here and poss £13-16 in France (lie slightly about LOA give length not LOA as they never check) whats it going to be at each south coast marina? VAT savings and cheap booze from France coupled with fuel at 21p per litre pure quality white diesel.

It all stacks up but the reason I would choose the C I is for privacy and cost just make sure the weathers ok its no fun over here if your stuck in the rain on the boat.
Dom

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hagrid
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21/02/2004 09:53
Re: Possible Itinerary?

So now you are a fly instaed of a targa, are the plans still the same?




Nick2
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07/03/2004 20:31
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

Just wondered what the latest is on this?

Nick
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hagrid
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09/03/2004 18:24
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

Still on guess, just depends on routing..... I guess we need to see how the new boats handle and iron out any problems




Nick2
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09/03/2004 19:17
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

All right don't rub it in Andy......

Nick
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hagrid
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09/03/2004 20:19
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

as if I would rub salt into the vhf,

Andy


duncan
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09/03/2004 20:48
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004

no - you would save it for the entrecotes I trust!


Wiggo
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10/03/2004 17:05
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004 - Latest

No change of plans at this stage due to new toys. I've now booked 1st through 15th August as holiday from work, so that means that the first two week of August will be marked by gales, torrential rain and snow. I am currently trying to organise a plague of frogs for the middle weekend, but we may have to settle for locusts. Or boils, for Hagrid.
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tcm
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10/03/2004 20:22
Re: South Coast Family Cruise Summer 2004 - Latest

Ominously, my insurance won't cover me for being in the Bay of Biscay after the 15th August. You have been warned.


duncan
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13/03/2004 20:32
Re: Swanage Carnival

This will run from 31 July this year so if the weather is right (Light SWesterly round to Northerly) it would be an excellent spot to kick off. The fireworks have been brilliant the last couple of years and kick off around 2200h.
Last year around 5 fourimite boats overnighted (and Barry wished he had) in pretty much a dead calm..........
Just another factor to store away in the planning folder.


Wiggo
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15/03/2004 11:21
Re: Swanage Carnival

Rotten holding compared to Studland, though. Nice firework show, round the corner by night and anchor in Studland, eh? That'll scare the willies out of some of 'em, spending the night on the pick...

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duncan
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15/03/2004 16:47
Re: Swanage Carnival

pure hard sand (over by the fireworks) and little current - had about 6 craft off Col's and my anchors last time I believe. If the conditions suit Studland they suit generally suit Swanage although you can get away with a little more South in the wind in Studland but that time of the year it will be more crowded by a factor of 30:1 from past experience!
However your point about picks is accepted - you are either happy about them or you aren't!


hagrid
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15/03/2004 20:29
Re: Swanage Carnival

He's talking about us, I fear...... even with new boat I fear it may be some time before I get SWMBO up for sleeping or with the pick

Andy


duncan
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16/03/2004 15:09
Re: Swanage Carnival

no probs Andy understand completely. You definitely don't want to apply any unnecessary pressure in these things either - not worth it.
BarryH can give lessons on returning to Poole Harbour from Swanage fireworks - enormas experience!

Anyhow flexibility is the key - just highlighting the opportunity. Many ports on the coast have firework displays carnivals and pagents - nothing's more annoying than turning up the day after!


joanne2
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16/03/2004 21:09
Re: Swanage Carnival

Andy,

I'm with Amanda, there is no way I am sleeping overnight whilst at anchor. I don't like it during the day unless it is completely flat. Therefore where is a nice steady and secure marina from whihc we can watch?

Joanne


duncan
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16/03/2004 22:12
Re: Swanage Carnival

you won't get any disagreement from anyone over the issue of rocking boats!
However the conditions in many anchorages are as quite, if not quieter, than a marina overnight. This is not said in an effort to convince or convert - it just is.
Marina's and fireworks might be possible in Dartmouth where they have a display each summer or Cowes. Otherwise it would probably be a case of watching first then returning back to a marina - from Swanage that means Dolphin Haven.


Col
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16/03/2004 22:27
Re: Swanage Carnival

Can soon arrange "non flat water" training session.
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duncan
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16/03/2004 22:54
Re: Swanage Carnival

I think Joanne (and others) would be more impressed if you can arrange the flat water!


Wiggo
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17/03/2004 12:37
Re: Swanage Carnival

Doh! You don't know what you're missing, girl!
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