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I am considering getting one of these just for the sheer joy of owning a wooden boat. How much actual maintenance would be required on an annual basis?
| LakeSailor |
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| 05/04/2008 14:39 |
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Lots.
| curve |
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| 05/04/2008 14:41 |
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I am also DIY incompetent so I am guessing it will also be very costly but I still fancy a wooden craft.
| Twisterowner |
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| 05/04/2008 15:01 |
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If you can find one in perfect condition, and keep it in that state, it won't be so bad. But if you buy one that's been "let go" then you are in for a lot of work and expense.
Some factors to consider are: are you retired, do you live near the boat, will she be in an alongside berth with electricity available so that you are tempted to go down to her of an evening and do some work or, will you have to launch a dinghy and go out to a swinging mooring [only to find you've left the paintbrushes in the car!]
Anyway what is "the sheer joy of owning a wooden boat". If it's classic lines you want, you could go for a grp-hulled version of a wooden classic, e.g. Twister.
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| 05/04/2008 15:08 |
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I guess it is classic lines that I want. But all the boats that I have seen that have left me in awe have always been wooden. I guess what I am after is a smaller version of a J-class that I can sail singehanded.
I am moving to Cowes in the autumn and she will be kept probably in East Cowes marina. I am more than willing to pay others to do the work that I cannot manage. Anything beyond simple varnishing would be beyond my peculiar talents.
| Timshel |
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| 05/04/2008 15:24 |
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Hi,
I had one for six years...
I now have an aluminium boat.
Nuff said? :-))
Brian.
| Twisterowner |
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| 05/04/2008 15:54 |
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I guess it is classic lines that I want.
Say no more. Have a look at www.twister.org.uk
| LakeSailor |
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| 05/04/2008 16:04 |
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Get a grp folkboat
| Heras_Master |
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| 05/04/2008 17:06 |
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Hi The Folk Boat association is very strong in the Solent you can get help and advice from them. On a personal basis I have just completed a 4yr restoration on a F B for me it was a labour of luv. But as others have said "when wood is good its very very good" when its bad its a nightmare. Dont go for a "project" if you cant do it your self. Good hunting for your FB. Mike
| PyroJames |
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| 05/04/2008 17:33 |
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If you can afford it go for it. I am now on my third wooden boat, all of which have had major works at some time, from a 9 foot cedar clinker sailing dingy (6 planks), a 33 foot sloop, (new interior and deck) and the current 50 foot "project". With the exception of the last boat, I have done all the work. I now have a chap who is just starting out boat building, while I give him instruction and pay him full time to work on the new boat. If you do buy a project, this is the cheapest route to take, if you can't do it yourself.
I just personally don't like GRP. Feel, smell, look, even though there are some very pretty GRP boats about.
| Searush |
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| 05/04/2008 18:32 |
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Trouville has one going cheap in the Baltic & looking for a new keeper now that he is a hired hand on a "Tea Palace".
Try sending him a PM, you have nothing to lose really and could have lots aof great adventures for next to nowt. Set yourself a limit on what you are prepared to spend for the craic & go for it!
| KenMcCulloch |
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| 05/04/2008 20:18 |
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My experience so far has been that I took on Border Maid 11 months ago and she has not cost more than I anticipated. There were a few mechanical and electrical issues to sort out during the season and since coming out I have spent one full day a week on average on the refit. I employed a shipwright for a few days to help me with some structural maintenance, I have spent about 3 days removing and refitting 4 cabin windows and apart from that just the normal things you would expect in any refit.
Look for a boat with good air circulation around the inside of the hull and check all the floors and frames (ribs) for soft patches. Good luck.
| TMLondon |
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| 05/04/2008 22:47 |
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I've got a lovely wooden folkboat, (Shoestring) yes they need work, but as others have said get one with a GOOD hull and your well on your way!
One advantage of a wooden yacht is that there is a lot more you can do yourself, or in my case learn as you do yourself.
Folkboats are wonderful go anywhere little yachts, just don't ground one!
| TMLondon |
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| 05/04/2008 23:31 |
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Oh should point out, as a folkboat fan, I am quite biased.
| misty56 |
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Wood v GRP routine maintenance? Well, antifouling is the same as GRP, you do have to paint the topsides, but they have to polish them. Deck-- depends on the material, wooden decks can be more troublesome than GRP, it is true, but ply decks are very dry. I have laid teak. I also have drips, but--I have a laid teak deck. Who cares about a few drips?
Superstructure-- wooden cabin sides and cockpit do require a good deal more work than plastic, but it's not demanding of great skill, just a bit of determination-- rub down and revarnish twice a year. But you do get real wood, not plastic. And if the work gets too much you can always paint the brightwork. Interior varnish lasts very well.
Spars and rigging account for a good bit of regular maintenance but are independent of hull material, as are all the electrics, mechanicals, ground tackles etc. So no difference.
If you start with good examples the maintenance work for a wooden boat is not much more than a similar GRP boat. If you start with neglected, run down examples or projects, a GRP boat is usually much easier to do up enough to go sailing than a wooden one. And plastic will cope with neglect better than wood.
The thing you have to remember is a lot of people just don't get wood. It doesn't speak to them. They don't really care, so they are quite happy with plastic. On the previous page there's a picture of a plastic Folkboat--and it looks like every other plastic boat ever built. The hull lines may be the exact same as the wooden versions-- but then they went and put that upturned bath on top.
Whereas a woodie....Is different. Every one is different. Even two sisters are different. If that doesn't matter, if you don't get wood, get a plastic boat. But if you do get wood, wood you will have to have. If you buy a plastic boat you'll spend every sail thinking, "Great boat this, shame it's plastic." Simple really, BTDT.
I'm not prejudiced; I've had both. But I am convinced.
| oldharry |
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| 06/04/2008 15:04 |
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<<If you buy a plastic boat you'll spend every sail thinking, "Great boat this, shame it's plastic." >>
Er No. Had various wooden boats. Now have plastic, and every time I go aboard, I think "great boat this. thank goodness its plastic"
Why? Because I want a boat to go sailing in. I really am not interested in spending months of every year knee deep in woodshavings, fillers, paint etc, any more. I just want to get out there and enjoy.
I was never able to do that with any wooden boat I owned, because I was always conscious of the ever lengthening 'to do' list, and that would completely spoil my enjoyment of taking it out and using it. It always made me feel guilty.
Now I have a half way decent boat, a manageable 'to do' list, and can go out and enjoy myself.
Of course for many people, its the 'to do' list that is the main source of enjoyment..... they are the ones who enjoy owning wooden boats.
| misty56 |
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| 06/04/2008 19:02 |
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Really? I suggest you speak for yourself. My primary interest is certainly neither the "to do" list nor carrying out the work, though I'm quite happy to do a fair bit of it myself. I vastly prefer the experience of sailing in a wooden boat and would never go back to plastic.
My last boat was plastic and I actually thought that it would really be the last one I'd have. I didn't love it, so I kept finding other things to do rather than sail it, and eventually I flogged the horrible thing. I was under the impression I had been cured. But happily, it turned out that I was wrong.
If you read my post more carefully you'll see I specifically said that if you don't get wood, just get plastic. The last thing a nice old boat needs is another owner who would rather have plastic anyway, begrudges the slightly greater amount of maintenance, and then lets the chores go untended.
| chrishelen |
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| 06/04/2008 20:03 |
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But surely that is part of the enjoyment of a wooden boat is the maintenance,and as for, and i quote"spending months each year knee deep in wood shavings"the boat shoulnt be allowed to get in that state in the first place,My Eventide comes out every two years and all she needs is a scrub off,and a lick of paint here and there.I agree you need to keep on top of any jobs,but its the same for plastic.
| Snowgoose100 |
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| 06/04/2008 20:08 |
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Really? I suggest you speak for yourself. My primary interest is certainly neither the "to do" list nor carrying out the work, though I'm quite happy to do a fair bit of it myself. I vastly prefer the experience of sailing in a wooden boat and would never go back to plastic.
My last boat was plastic and I actually thought that it would really be the last one I'd have. I didn't love it, so I kept finding other things to do rather than sail it, and eventually I flogged the horrible thing. I was under the impression I had been cured. But happily, it turned out that I was wrong.
If you read my post more carefully you'll see I specifically said that if you don't get wood, just get plastic. The last thing a nice old boat needs is another owner who would rather have plastic anyway, begrudges the slightly greater amount of maintenance, and then lets the chores go untended.
It's a pity that you have to respond in such an unfortunate and negative aggressive fashion toward other people's choices. One often finds this on the Classic Forum and all this does is drive people away. Why are you and others like this ? It just spoils the fun .
The impression I get is that you only want wooden boat owners on the forum , is this correct ?
| TMLondon |
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| 06/04/2008 20:20 |
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Before this wood vs GRP discussion turns nasty, I should point out you can also get steel and aluminum versions of classic yachts too :0)
The point is, all hull materials are in someway better and in someway flawed, best to choose the one you understand, feel comfortable working with, and ultimately repair. - And then choose the one you like the look of best?
| oldharry |
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| 06/04/2008 21:44 |
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Thanks Snowgoose: I was simply pointing out that nightmares come in all shapes and sizes, be they wood, plastic, steel, concrete or anything in between. Just as there are many 'orrible plastic ones, so are there some really abysmal wooden ones.
All boats are a money pit - but wooden boats can rapidly become a large and very expensive hole in the bank account, and to maintain a wooden boat properly does require a subtantial investment of time money and effort. Maybe I am a bit of a perfectionist, but 4 months maintenance and 8 months sailing as afforded by my present GRP boat seems to me far preferable to the 8 months it seemed always to take to get my wooden boats 'right' - leaving only 4 months for sailing
Having said that it has taken over 40 years to find a GRP boat I am really comfortable with - I really should have bought one when I first saw and fell in love with them at the LIBS back in the 60's, rather than leave it to now!
And Chrishelen, my last boat was an Eventide - lovely boats, I really enjoyed mine - but she needed a great deal of time to keep her in really good order. Time which I would prefer to have spent out sailing!
| misty56 |
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| 07/04/2008 09:19 |
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I suggest you read my first post, which was the subject of a strongly negative response, before criticising my reply to that response.
If you do bother to read that first post, you will see that I made it clear that wooden boats are not for everyone, but if you have a passion for them, then nothing else will do. To which I was treated to the usual plastic-boat-owner blah-de-blah about how much trouble wooden boats are and deliberately suggesting that those who own them are not sailors but woodworking enthusiasts. I suggest they ask that of Don Street, for one.
I do not have any view on who should participate on this forum, plastic, steel, wood, ferro, ally or no boat at all! I do not personally consider that a production-line plastic boat can be called a classic, but that's a different issue. I do, however, very firmly take the view that if plastic-boat owners want to run down, have a go or be negative about wooden boats, there are plenty of other places where that point of view is the norm and I would rather they did not do it here. Are we not to have even the very few places we do where we are free of plastic-boat owners telling us what fools we are for owning wooden boats, and how they, hallelujah, have seen the light? I can get that in any harbourside pub or just walking along the dock, thanks.
In another thread begun only recently we were commenting on the tragedy of wooden boats being broken up for want of owners, and looky-here, in this thread we have plastic boat owners telling people the last thing they should do is buy a wooden boat. Am I the only one who sees a certain hypocrisy here?
| misty56 |
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| 07/04/2008 09:25 |
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Before this wood vs GRP discussion turns nasty, I should point out you can also get steel and aluminum versions of classic yachts too :0)
The point is, all hull materials are in someway better and in someway flawed, best to choose the one you understand, feel comfortable working with, and ultimately repair. - And then choose the one you like the look of best?
All true, but, being similarly mischievous, would the ally/tin/ferro/plastic replicas be classics without the original wooden versions?
| TMLondon |
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| 07/04/2008 09:45 |
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Sorry if that came over as mischievous, but exactly what is a classic, surely should be personal preference ? Not every good design started in wood.
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| misty56 |
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it has taken over 40 years to find a GRP boat I am really comfortable with - I really should have bought one when I first saw and fell in love with them at the LIBS back in the 60's,
Thank you for making my point. If you really want plastic, buy plastic.
Maybe you're one of those who refuses to be seen out in a boat anything less than 100% concours, which is fine.....But that level of finish is not necessary to go sailing. Ship and gear have to be safe and sound, but the rest is just cosmetic, you know.
| Heras_Master |
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| 07/04/2008 10:04 |
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Now now stop throwing your rattles out of the prams.
| misty56 |
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| 07/04/2008 10:06 |
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LOL I was picking up on the fact that you had used the phrase "versions of," implying that classics begin as wooden designs.
I'm not sure even I would agree with that premise; I was just ringing your bell.
I have seen enough shoeboxes made of wood (usually plywood) to happily agree that not all wooden boats count as classics.
As to "What is a classic?" I am afraid that will have to wait till the paying work is out of the way......
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| 07/04/2008 10:08 |
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| PyroJames |
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| 07/04/2008 10:18 |
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I only do wood, but would hate to see GRP boat owners, either with a classic GRP boat, or with an AWB but aspiring to a classic, being turned away by wood snobs.
IMHO, owning a classic, is about caring for a boat in which you take pride and care in its appearance, consider it beautiful in its own right, and do not feel that it is just a vehicle to get you on the water, or to go sailing.
| ValleyForge |
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| 07/04/2008 10:26 |
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Folkboats are lovely boats, the prettiest by far is the original nordic design (low coachroof) but wooden ones are rare in the UK. The Danish GRP nordics are true beauties but a bit dear. About £15k last time I looked for an old one. There are quite a few similar Folkboat-inspired designs like Folksongs, Varnes etc. which can be picked up relatively cheaply - but they don't look as nice & don't have that lovely wooden feel and smell.
If you want perfection - then it will cost an arm & a leg. If you are happy to own a leaky but pretty bucket that might sink one day (60's eastern Europe glue) - It can be had for literally pence. (sometimes you see free to a good home ...).
Absolute beauty to sail bye the bye - think 50's classic sports car rather than 80's hot hatch. Get one with an outboard - those with old inboards are likely to be err troublesome ?
Go on, give it a go. At the worst you'll have plenty of firewood.
| chrishelen |
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| 07/04/2008 14:28 |
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When you say shoeboxes made of ply are you refering to the Maurice Griffiths designed Eventide, Wild duck,Waterwitch,class of boats,have you ever heard of Maurice Griffths.and do you realise marine ply is stronger than wood planks for boat building.
| misty56 |
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| 07/04/2008 15:24 |
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A. I have owned several ply boats, none of which were shoeboxes. In fact my first boat was a Robert Tucker Silhouette which despite being amateur-built and ply, was a great wee boat and I still have fond memories of her.
B. I am well aware of Maurice Griffiths. I think the Eventide is a great boat, and I'm sure the rest of his stable is too.
C. It's a simple fact: ply made it possible for amateurs to build boats that would float. They were built in their thousands in the boating boom of the fifties and sixties. There are some great ply boats, there are some dogs. It all depends on who designed them and who built them. However most carvel and clinker boats are professionally designed and built by skilled craftsman. This tends to preclude the woofers.
D. I disagree that "ply is stronger than planks for boat building." Ply is indeed very useful stuff. It resists certain types of deformation very well and allows for much simpler construction methods but it is not "stronger than" solid timber.
E. None of the above alters the plain fact that I have seen some right shoeboxes made out of plywood.
| Roach1948 |
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| 07/04/2008 18:19 |
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I think when you get the wood bug you will know it.
When I was looking around for my first yacht I was sure that GRP was the sensible way to go. I was looking at Pandora's, Corribee's, Plastic FB (expensive) and |Contessa's and in the end I settled on a 22ft 1940's Dallimore that needed a complete restoration! I was totally smitten.
I spent a LOT of time DIYing and very little time sailing for a few years, but I have to say I caught the bug and I love sailing her and working on her. Modifications are easier to make on a wooden boat, the interior just smells lovely, and now that I have her in working order she is easy to maintain. If I do it again and upgrade, I will take the advice that others' have said, and that is get a good one and keep ontop of the maintenance! The restoration has enabled me to learn a lot about wooden boats from zero knowledge, so it was a valuable process in that respect.
| doug748 |
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| 07/04/2008 20:37 |
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There are quite a few similar Folkboat-inspired designs like Folksongs, Varnes etc
.....and an honourable mention for the best of the lot, sails like a train in all conditions, strong, more bonny than a Contessa, not an ugly line in the boat - afloat or ashore. By the hand of the master, I give you the International Folkboat.
| Snowgoose100 |
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| 07/04/2008 22:21 |
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I suggest you read my first post, which was the subject of a strongly negative response, before criticising my reply to that response.
If you do bother to read that first post, you will see that I made it clear that wooden boats are not for everyone, but if you have a passion for them, then nothing else will do. To which I was treated to the usual plastic-boat-owner blah-de-blah about how much trouble wooden boats are and deliberately suggesting that those who own them are not sailors but woodworking enthusiasts. I suggest they ask that of Don Street, for one.
I do not have any view on who should participate on this forum, plastic, steel, wood, ferro, ally or no boat at all! I do not personally consider that a production-line plastic boat can be called a classic, but that's a different issue. I do, however, very firmly take the view that if plastic-boat owners want to run down, have a go or be negative about wooden boats, there are plenty of other places where that point of view is the norm and I would rather they did not do it here. Are we not to have even the very few places we do where we are free of plastic-boat owners telling us what fools we are for owning wooden boats, and how they, hallelujah, have seen the light? I can get that in any harbourside pub or just walking along the dock, thanks.
In another thread begun only recently we were commenting on the tragedy of wooden boats being broken up for want of owners, and looky-here, in this thread we have plastic boat owners telling people the last thing they should do is buy a wooden boat. Am I the only one who sees a certain hypocrisy here?
Have to say I even felt your first post offensive - may I quote " Upturned bath on top " . Reading this and your other posts only proves to me, and I am sure many others ,that this type of forum is clearly only a platform for airing your own particular prejudices rather than joining in or being part of the whole that most people seem to.
I do not dislike you in any way. I'am sure that if I had lived your own life experiences I would no doubt have ended up the same. Want I am interested in is how you arrived at this point ? Is it because you keep receiving negative comments about your own personal choices ? It seems to me that you clearly feel threatened in some way and life is frightening you somewhere.
In my experience as a sailor, I have only experienced positive responses to wooden boats. Most love to see them not only for the look and feel of wood but for the lovely lines. So I very much doubt that this is your problem.
What I do feel, based on my own experience , and this is only a theory , is that many wooden boatowners dislike modern living intensely . They harp for a previous golden age of living that is a myth but serves as a convenient excuse for disliking many so called modern things. And we of course, the rest, us, are the visible problem . We prove this by owning a modern floating caravan , and the word plastic fits in very nicely.
Many wooden boat owners, again in my own experience, own older cars, dislike credit cards, etc etc I could go on . I have spent time among Old Gaffer's and this is a general theme. I even attended a sing song ( all acoustic of course) that included a song worded 'white boats' highly detrimental to GRP boats. If only they meant this in fun !
Yes, for me , it has very little to do with boats but the rest of us are just convenient whipping posts for the cards that have been dealt to you- and others.
Being with wood makes you feel secure. This is why spending time with a wooden boat is what counts. You can turn the light off for a while. Spending years being out of the water, or even never going in the water does not really come into it.
Why do you feel that only you feel this way ? What about the rest of us ? Don't you think we feel like this sometimes ? Do you think that we are enjoying everything about today ?
I sincerely hope that you will at least consider some of the points made and appreciate that we have feelings too.
| Tranona |
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| 07/04/2008 22:50 |
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This assumes liking and appreciating both is mutually exclusive. I own a wooden boat - had it for the last 28 years and hope that my children inherit it. Also have a Bavaria (shock horror!). Why? because both I and SWMBO love spending part of our time in the Eastern Med and it is perfect for the job. But then we also own a Morgan, cos we love it, particularly tooling around the Dorset lanes of a summers afternoon and evening. But we both have modern Fords for the boring bits of getting to work and travelling to see the grandchildren.
Time and place for everything, helped of course with the wherewithall to support ones preferences!
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| 07/04/2008 22:59 |
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I have to say, from my experience growing up, sailing with my grandfather on his Folk boat.
Which had a varnished carvel hull and every brass polished
The result of every year, attention to detail, rubbing, varnishing, calking.... over a four month period
- the resulting year a brilliant floating piece of furniture, this is mainly why I sail now
Totally jealous of those that commit the time.
Wish I knew if his old boat is still sailing?
Sadly, I can’t spare the commitment so GRP for me.
| ValleyForge |
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| 08/04/2008 09:02 |
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| Simon_and_Tanja |
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Fascinated to see this thread has gone on so long without anyone mentioning a brilliant Folkboat inspired British design, so here goes... Consider a Stella. There are several, well maintained examples for sale currently (www.stellasail.org.uk). A little larger and more comfortable but with similar lines and handling. Bizarrely good value. You will certainly get the wooden boat experience. Maintenance is a chore, a manageable chore ... but the sailing second to none - give me a long keel and the clinker chuckle over a watertight hull any day! I learnt to sail among the Nordic folkboats on the Limfjord but now love my Stella to bits. (Have to keep saying this to myself whilst antifouling in the snow!)
| misty56 |
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| 08/04/2008 09:30 |
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Tell me, what kind of fantasy world do you occupy? You know nothing about me and you proceed to insult me with offensive ad-hominem abuse and presumptions about me and how I live my life, based on nothing more than your own prejudices.
Pay attention to the following: you have lost the argument when you resort to personal smears.
And that is the end of that.
| misty56 |
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| 08/04/2008 10:45 |
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As to "What is a classic?" I am afraid that will have to wait till the paying work is out of the way......
I said I'd come back to this. It is of course one of the most interesting and thought-provoking questions, though frequently swept under the carpet for fear of upsetting someone.
Well, I thought about it a bit last night and had a look over some stuff I've already written on this.
There are a number of criteria that can qualify a boat, plane, motorcycle, for that matter guitar, as a classic. Not all classics satisfy them all, but they all satisfy some.
1 Design. The design has to have striking visual appeal as well as being functional and exploiting the benefits of the chosen materials and manufacturing methods to the maximum possible. It must both look fantastic and deliver the goods (in terms of the era it comes from) in other words.
2 Construction. This has to be to the highest standards, respecting the limitations of the technology available at the time and the constraints of the design--(eg the Mirror dinghy is unquestionably a classic, but many are amateur built.)
3 Definition of a style. When Leo Fender designed the Strat he basically stated what a certain type of electric guitars were about for over fifty years (and counting.) There are seminal designs in every discipline from yachts to planes-- who would disagree that Concorde was a classic, yet at the same time consider the workmanlike Boeing 747-- just as much a classic. The Jag E-type was a classic from the off, but so was a Routemaster bus-- generations of kids who've never seen anything other than a modern bus, still see a Routemaster when they think "bus."
4 Longevity. A classic design stands the test of time. This is one reason why we tend to equate "classic" with "old," though this is actually a false assumption. I am certain that the Blackberry that is now telling me I have five minutes to finish this and then get on with something else, is a classic design. The Leica M3 was classic the day it came off the drawing board.
5 Viability. All these things are products. They have to successfully stand the test of the marketplace. Beautiful things made without reference to that, made for their own sake, fall outwith classic design and in the realm of art.
Okay the BB's bleeping so, with reference to boats-- pretty much all traditionally built wooden boats are classics, because their designs were the subject of refinement over hundreds of years, and their execution was by real craftsmen.
In GRP I personally can't see the legions of floating caravans or, for that matter, direct copies of wooden classics, as classics. In the former case they fail on account of looking (and sailing) so badly and in the latter, that would be like saying that East Asian knock-offs of Fender Strats are classics. They ain't. Being a copy of a classic is not a qualification.
There definitely are classic GRP boats, but they are true to the design discipline and opportunities afforded by GRP, not wood.
Anyone feeling offended, please take it down the pub and drown your sorrows.
| chrishelen |
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| 08/04/2008 10:48 |
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Shall we let this one go?The Classic Forum is decending into lounge like bickering.
| misty56 |
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| 08/04/2008 11:04 |
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Feel free.
| halcyon |
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| 08/04/2008 11:36 |
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To end it on the Folkboat.
Went out to buy one years ago, but found a SCOD for sale, had it surveyed, and found a £10,000 bill waiting.
Looked around and found the Halcyon and fell in love with her lines, a true Buchanan yacht.
What it was made off was not of interest, it was the looks and feel of the boat, and these are mirrored in her sailing ability.
Brian
| kittern |
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| 08/04/2008 12:54 |
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I have both a GRP boat and a wooden boat ... I prefer the wooden one.
My first 'big' boat was a wooden Folkboat ... sailed like a witch but you'll need a pointed head and pointed feet! ...
| Stella8Owner |
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| 08/04/2008 12:57 |
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Just to carry it on...I'd like to second the Stella suggestion. A strong racing class, very helpful, dedicated association and the boat sails wonderfully! But.. don't buy one that needs lots of work like I did. It takes so much time, money and effort which again is fine if you intend to keep the boat for at least ten years - that way she will pay you back with some of the finest sailing as well as a pretty looks that all will admire. The simple rule is: Buy a good one and the 'fitting out' can be enjoyable, buy one that needs lots of work and it will be a long uphill. Good luck
| misty56 |
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| 08/04/2008 13:07 |
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Agreed about Stellas-- nice boats.
Anyone else notice this thread is now 897 views and counting? Guess we musta hit a topic of interest.....
| Twisterowner |
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| 08/04/2008 15:37 |
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Quote:
Guess we musta hit a topic of interest.....
Yes - a row!
| misty56 |
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| 08/04/2008 16:19 |
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This is not a row. This is a lively debate.
| chrishelen |
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| 08/04/2008 16:24 |
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I know were there is a wooden one for sale,the owners retired from sailing,but she needs lots of work to get her shipshape(the boat that is)if anyone is interested PM me.
| Twisterowner |
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| 08/04/2008 16:39 |
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This is not a row. This is a lively debate.
You mean a "free and frank exchange of views"?
| misty56 |
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| 08/04/2008 17:41 |
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Dat's de one.
The thing is, you've got to air these big questions from time to time, even thought they have inevitably been done before. (Not helped by the fact that the ybw search engine never seems to work.) Unlike other, similar forums, this one does not insist on wooden boats, but classic boats. That is a very interesting and extremely subjective term and one that I am always interested in hearing other people's definition of.
| Heras_Master |
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| 08/04/2008 19:12 |
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Just got back from "Hera" the ciber sailors are havin a great time throwin the rattles about again ...at least Hera is on the water........luv wood ....luv boats of all sorts .........if you want controversey go to the lounge..only polite peeps needed here
| chrishelen |
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| 08/04/2008 19:26 |
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Hi misty,just been for the first sail of the season in my shoebox, average speed 5.5knts not bad for a box,eh. Passed a few AWB`s on the way back also.
| misty56 |
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| 08/04/2008 23:42 |
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Just so you know, sweetie-- I'll choose where I throw my rattles, not you.
| misty56 |
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| 08/04/2008 23:45 |
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Jings, it's amazing what a few pints does for some people.
| chrishelen |
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| 09/04/2008 16:24 |
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Well may i suggest you stop drinking then.
| Niander |
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| 11/04/2008 13:26 |
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If you want perfection - then it will cost an arm & a leg. If you are happy to own a leaky but pretty bucket that might sink one day (60's eastern Europe glue)
Omg im gunna sink!....ill salute You as i go down....must get these ribs fixed!..btw.
| ValleyForge |
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| 11/04/2008 16:24 |
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Oops sorry Niander, forgot you had one ! Had that drummed into me by the old boys at Shepherds here, who used to make similar carvel FB's in the 50's & 60's (that cost twice as much ..)
I guess if you want to do a jester & cross the Atlantic a few times you might want to get a few tubes of glue, just in case, but for a bit of local pottering just slap some paint on light the pipe & sup the amber nectar. Bit of clean salt water keeps the bilges sweet anyway.
| Snowgoose100 |
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| 11/04/2008 20:21 |
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Tell me, what kind of fantasy world do you occupy? You know nothing about me and you proceed to insult me with offensive ad-hominem abuse and presumptions about me and how I live my life, based on nothing more than your own prejudices.
Pay attention to the following: you have lost the argument when you resort to personal smears.
And that is the end of that.
Sorry that you feel like this. I based my response on your previous choice of words and general conduct toward others, it is the only conclusion that I personally can genuinely arrive at.
All I am saying is that you fit in to an accepted sterotype ( based on your own words in this thread) that I have personally experienced. I did try to explain that this was a theory, but surely something must account for the aggression and unpleasantness you chose to use for no good reason.
If my theoretical reasons are wrong, which they appear to be, I would genuinely like to know what makes you behave in this way and the reasons for it.
I genuinely wish to know.
| Timcowen |
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| 15/04/2008 18:40 |
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quite unbelievable, at the end of the day surely its 'each to their own' and 'look before you leap.' Please don't have a go at me.!!!
| curve |
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| 17/04/2008 12:52 |
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Thanks for all the replies chaps.
But I have decided that a folkboat is too small for me but I do want a wooden boat. I am now intent on purchasing a square rigger to sail in the tall ship races so if anyone knows one for sale then please PM me.