| ukyachty |
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| 31/10/2005 08:39 |
Gipsy moth IV Designers
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It would be interesting to hear more about the designers and I've been searching the internet without luck. I believe they were Angus Primrose and John Illingworth. Would be interested in reading any biographies about these men. What do we know?
| theforeman |
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| 31/10/2005 15:27 |
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" Offshore " by John Illingworth, 5th ed 1963, pub Allard Coles would be a good place to start.
| ukyachty |
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| 01/11/2005 20:03 |
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Thanks - thats a start. Now for Angus Primrose. Just found an obituary from 1980 because he tragically died as 'Demon of Hamble' sank. Did anyone write a biography?
| DanPrimrose |
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| 11/11/2005 18:08 |
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I saw the conversations above, and thought I had better join in... Before I go too far, I should say I dont know as much about the whole thing as I ought to. Its one of those things you dont appreciate at the time. But having said that, you are correct about GMIV being designed by Illingworth and Primrose. I believe my father was responsible for most of the design, with John Illingworth being primarilly resoponsible for the rig design, as was the norm in the design office. And you are corect about Angus being lost at sea in 1980. And as far as I know there have only been a few articles in the yachting press about him (See Classic Boat magazine by Ian Dear, not sure about the date right now), and allmost certainly no biography written (that I now about anyway). The one thing I do know about the whole project is that Angus and Sir Francis did not exactly see eye to eye. I maybe seeing things from the Primrose side of the fence, but I think Angus was pretty happy when the whole thing was over. The biggest falling out was when GMIV reached Austrailia, and Angus got a telegram saying that he had "proper designers design an new keel profile". Angus's reply was simple: "Just get on with it. If you've only reached Austrailia, she's not even run in yet". I think the rest is history. Having said all that, the one thing that really did make Dads blood boil was seeing GMIV, or any boat for that matter, being put in concrete. He would have been really happy to see her in the condition she is now (apart from the addition to the keel and rudder...!)
I hope this all helps a bit.
Dan
| theforeman |
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| 12/11/2005 18:30 |
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very good of you to respond as above. i see you are sort of following in your father`s keeltracks - which team ?
i have a copy of offshore but i am not aware of any books by angus primrose - did he write any ?
i am hoping my next boat will be a moody 29.
| Mirelle |
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| 15/11/2005 17:05 |
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Thank you for that.
| bazonbeleza |
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| 01/12/2005 18:37 |
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I read John Illingsworth book on the maid of malham, it was I think his autobiography however he along with angus primrose was the designer og GMIV and there was a chapter in the book where he went on at length about chichester;percieved shortcoming of the boat and gathered that he wasnt too impressed by chichester. mind you this is a sailor builder and designer who thought nothing of building a boat then chopping and changing quite literally all aspects of the boat till he got it right, rather in the same way as modern Americup yachts are treated, new keel here, longer transom, chop a few feet of the bow etc and this is in the forties I beleive anyway a riveting read. highly reccomend it.
| Rudi |
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| 01/07/2006 13:28 |
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Hallo Dan, I saw your post whilst looking for some info on our boat today. I am interested in Angus because we have the yacht mentioned in Classic Boat issue 148 by I. Dear called Hippokampos which Angus designed. I would love to contact you regarding this. Pat
| davehu |
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| 06/07/2006 15:34 |
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Hi there Rudi
Where is Hippo now, I sailed on her in 1976 when she was based in Lymington. Did the Round Britain and Ireland crewed race on her in 1976. used to be owned by Allan Goodfellow. Lovely boat cold moulded by Lallows in Cowes. Could do with more sail area in light winds. No doubt the old perkins engine with the Z drive has long since been replaced. Good design for racing, originally designed for Admirals Cup series. The sreering position was very exposed.
Wolud love to know how she is doing now
Regards
David
| Jeremy_W |
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| 13/08/2006 08:13 |
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A mate of mine chartered Hippokampos from Arnold Clark a good few years ago and had great fun. But they were all engineers, so the more problems they had to solve, the more they enjoyed it. Glad to hear she's still sailing.
| Rudi |
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| 23/08/2006 21:19 |
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Hi David, Hippo is still sailing well with same old Perkins!
She is at present in Denmark. Rudi has had a rotten stroke and I am hoping to keep her for a bit. My names Pat, and I am Rudi's wife. Would love a chat. How do I contact you.
Pat
| Aja |
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| 06/09/2006 13:49 |
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Hippocampus - filling in the gaps..
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Hippocampus sat in Tighnabruaich boatyard for a couple of years before being sold to Arnold Clark (now has 'Drum').
We looked at her a couple of times then with the view to purchase. She was 'shabby' at best.
In the end Arnold Clark came along with a silly offer, which was accepted, sent a couple of his 'men' down to the boatyard with a couple of tins of Dulux white enamel and raced her successfully for a couple of years.
This would have been early eighties, if I remember correctly.
Donald
| Ed_Matson |
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| 16/10/2006 22:42 |
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Great to hear some of the history on old Hippokampos, anyone know some more?? Brought her back to Uk from the West Indies in 1991. Do you still have to carry a bunker of fuel cans under the Helms seat?!!
| Rudi |
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| 07/12/2006 21:42 |
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This is my third post to you Ed because I am not sure if you are getting a reply. Do contact me. Hippokampos is now back in England. No, we do not carry diesel under the seat now! There is a life raft there instead! We lived on her for three years and had a fantastic time, just the two of us.
Do get in touch - Pat
| davehu |
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| 12/12/2006 13:36 |
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Hi Rudi,
Send me a private message, Id like to see Hippo now she is back in the Uk. Use the send message tab.
david
| Aja |
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| 18/12/2006 15:03 |
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I see 'Hippo' is featured in the current Sailing Today
Donald