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Red diesel in cans.
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If I understand the situation as outlined in Yachting Monthly this month, we are strongly advised not to take red diesel to France in cans, though we should be OK if it's in the main tank. Having a small tank I think it's prudent seamenship to take a couple of jerry cans of diesel if I'm going offshore. If I go to France, my plan is to dump the red diesel in the cans into the tank and fill them with road-duty paid diesel and keep the receipt. Or will I still end up on the wrong side of some officious French funcionierre?
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Re: Red diesel in cans.
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Sounds reasonable to me.
Even better if you have an expensed company car!
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Robin
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08/05/2008 09:36
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Re: Red diesel in cans.
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I can't see why your idea should be any problem and I have to say I've never heard of any problem with carrying some spare in small (yacht) quantities. However the article does make the point that carrying red spare fuel could be a problem, receipt or not and that just shows what a real bu88er's muddle we now have, since we will now have tax paid that is still red after Nov 2008.
My intention is to keep all receipts and stick them in the log, together with notes of engine hours which I do already. I like your idea of carrying the spare (and we carry 2x10l cans even thogh we have never used them!) as white road diesel which can be fed via the diesel car too at the end of the season and replaced with fresh.
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Re: Red diesel in cans.
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Can you get red diesel in Cannes?
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deisel
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08/05/2008 12:22
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Yes You Can Get It In Buckets As Well!!!!
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deisel
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08/05/2008 12:23
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Re: Red diesel in cans.
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Re: Red diesel in cans.
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Not sure, but I did see some in Wells
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Re: Red diesel in cans.
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I have a full tank and a full emergency can. All red diesel. I topped the tank up at the end of last season.
I don't seem to have any receipts at all. Since I generally fill up every other year it seems I have a problem if I cross the channel. Any ideas?
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peterb
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08/05/2008 16:40
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Re: Red diesel in cans.
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Or will I still end up on the wrong side of some officious French funcionierre?
Yes, you may. It's almost impossible to clean out the red dye from your cans, so your road diesel will be contaminated. Buy new cans, fill with road diesel, and leave the old ones at home. Ensure that you have and keep receipts for red diesel in your tanks.
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I will in future keep all recipts for fuel but I still have some left from when I changed the tanks to smaller ones which will last this season. I will be going to France in July, I wont have recipts fo the red diesel in the tanks and even if I did the last time I bough fuel was in Ireland in 05 (so its greeen anyway!), somehow I can see them accepting a 3 year old recipt. Only advantage is I wont be carrying any in cans as we have enough range to motor there and back on the main tank and still have a reserve. If anyone wishes to accuse me of tax evasion that is there perogative but don't they have to prove I am guilty, not the other way round?
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doris
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08/05/2008 21:25
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Re: Red diesel in cans.
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No mate. Guilty et puis La Guillotine!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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hlb
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08/05/2008 21:33
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Thats total rubbish and I'm fairly confident, I used to have a truck that ran some times on red and some times on white. And yes it was checked by customs and I asked the question.
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Tosca
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08/05/2008 21:34
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Re: Red diesel in cans.
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I will in future keep all recipts for fuel but I still have some left from when I changed the tanks to smaller ones which will last this season. I will be going to France in July, I wont have recipts fo the red diesel in the tanks and even if I did the last time I bough fuel was in Ireland in 05 (so its greeen anyway!), somehow I can see them accepting a 3 year old recipt. Only advantage is I wont be carrying any in cans as we have enough range to motor there and back on the main tank and still have a reserve. If anyone wishes to accuse me of tax evasion that is there perogative but don't they have to prove I am guilty, not the other way round?
Interesting question.
You are not allowed to have red diesel in your tank in France, so you will need a defence. I think all they need to do is prove you have red in your tank. I don't think that they have to prove that you don't have a defence.
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Re: Red diesel in cans.
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This could be a problem basicaslly my 'defense' is that I am British and filled my tanks in Britain where I can legitimatly use red diesel but I have no proof of purchase. In fact I don't see how you could have, any boat that has visited the UK will have tanks contaminated with red dye so a french boat that filled up here might have a recipt to wave at customs & excise but that doesn't prove they haven't put some more of the red stuff in since they got back to france. In the same way I might have recipts for red fuel I legitimately bought in the UK but that does not proove I havn't also filled up with red in France. The only proof would be if, like Ireland the French used a different dye and you could therefore demonstrate where fuel was bought. In theory you could go to France get stopped and charged duty on what was in you tank then at the next port they could do the same again because you have no way of prooving that its the fuel you just paid duty on... This could get very silly
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Ok, this could be a problem. My current consumption rate is about 5 litres a year and I still have about 50 litres left, all decanted from old cans into the new tank and no receipts. Some of this bought with the boat. Does this mean I cannot go out of UK waters without fear of being arrested? To whom do I apply for compensation?
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I was told by a Customs official a long time ago that if you use red in a road vehical just once and go back to white they can tell as the red dye hangs around for a long long time and their dectecting equipment is so sensative it can sniff out one part red to 1.000,000 part white,or was he pulling my plonker?
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Wendel
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12/05/2008 12:26
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Re: Red diesel in cans.
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I was told by a Customs official a long time ago that if you use red in a road vehical just once and go back to white they can tell as the red dye hangs around for a long long time and their dectecting equipment is so sensative it can sniff out one part red to 1.000,000 part white,or was he pulling my plonker?
Even if it were true it would only prove that red diesel had been in the tank on a previous occasion, and not that you had used the vehicle on a public road with red diesel.
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