| Danny_Labrador |
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| 02/07/2008 13:26 |
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Needed help when his engine failed near Lymington apparently.
| webcraft |
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| 02/07/2008 14:02 |
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From the article it sounds as though a member of the lifeboat crew sailed the boat back onto a pontoon, so they obviously didn't think there was much danger if they didn't put a line on.
Or is it just more dodgy reporting?
- W
| Carolwildbird |
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| 02/07/2008 14:05 |
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I bumped into him at the boat show on a Regina 43 which he was buying- thought they were lovely boats -h guess its the one he was - must be only a few months old.
| jkay |
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| 02/07/2008 14:07 |
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I think the lifeboatman helped sail the boat back not on his own
cheers Joe
| Login_name |
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| 02/07/2008 14:10 |
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Only had the boat a few months. Not very confident so he asked for help?
He did the right thing. No big deal.
| channelyacht |
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| 02/07/2008 14:12 |
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How on earth did / do these yachts get all over the world without engines?
Could understand an LB call for gear failure, or being blown onto a lee shore, but engine failure on a yacht - surely either sail in or call Sea Start...
| MoodyNick |
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| 02/07/2008 14:26 |
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Depends on the conditions.
You can only sail so far up Lymington river before you get into the morass of moorings, ferries (soon to get twice as big) etc. Tacking in at low tide on a 43' wouldnt get him much further than the putty.
| StugeronSteve |
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| 02/07/2008 14:32 |
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With little water and a lot of traffic it's bad enough trying to motor into the Lymington river at times, especially when two ferries cross.
| Tosca |
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| 02/07/2008 14:32 |
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I can't agree. You can sail on to a buoy or an anchorage, but sailing into Lymington Yacht Haven is beyond most. I would not like to try to enter a marina under sail.
You cannot trust news papers to make accurate reports, it is quite possible he put an anchor down and called the coast-guard for a tow, no need to try to be a hero in these circumstances.
| DRANNIE |
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| 02/07/2008 15:29 |
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personally I think you should be capable of sailing onto a bouy or dropping the hook somewhere safe. I doubt I could confidently sail my boat to the pontoon in bradwell marina, but I could pick up a bouy and ask for a tow.
| curve |
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| 02/07/2008 15:32 |
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I am sure that even this 'celebrity' could have dropped the anchor somewhere near Lymington. The question is then who do you ask for a tow? Surely, its more advisable to contact the harbourmaster for advice rather than the coastguard.
| Login_name |
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| 02/07/2008 15:43 |
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You're jumping to all sorts of conclusions there.
We don't know who he called, but it may have been entirely correct to call the CG.
If he was drifting in the main channel it may well have been right to drift until he was in a "better" spot with the intention of dropping anchor later.
| MoodyNick |
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| 02/07/2008 15:43 |
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Maybe he did - the HM office and ILB boat house are about 30yds apart.
| npf1 |
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| 02/07/2008 15:50 |
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I heard it on ch16. Solent CG did ask if there was anyone available to offer a tow but got no responses.
| Galadriel |
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| 02/07/2008 16:11 |
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On the two occasions that I have suffered problems that required me to have to make a marina without an engine, once Yarmouth and once St Peter Port, I called the relative harbour authority requesting an 'easy' berth (to sail onto) given the circumstances. On both occasions they sent out a work boat to meet me when I was at the front door.
I would hate to have to draw of such a valuable resource as the RNLI in such a situation, unless of course other circumstances made the situation dangerous, lee shore etc.
Dont Seastart do 'instant' membership?
| michael_w |
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| 02/07/2008 16:23 |
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A long time ago I used to be a regular on a S&S 43' based in Berthon's.
Often we sailed her in and out of Lymington as the engine was rather "difficult". Surprisingly we only ever hit the pontoon when the engine was working. Going past the ferries used to turn the helmsman's knuckles white.
| alant |
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| 02/07/2008 16:29 |
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Depends on the conditions.
You can only sail so far up Lymington river before you get into the morass of moorings, ferries (soon to get twice as big) etc. Tacking in at low tide on a 43' wouldnt get him much further than the putty.
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Don't know the facts, but
1) No lack of wind in Lymington recently.
2) Sailing into the marina's might be frowned upon, partly because of insurance considerations, but there are other pontoons in the river, which usually have space.
3) Sailing all the way up to the Town Quay is feasible, can't understand why this should be a problem even with Wightlink/Puffin about.
Surely there must be some other reason why LB called out to assist.
| SimonT |
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| 02/07/2008 18:17 |
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Depends on the conditions.
You can only sail so far up Lymington river before you get into the morass of moorings, ferries (soon to get twice as big) etc. Tacking in at low tide on a 43' wouldnt get him much further than the putty.
Fair enough - then why didn't he sail to Yarmouth instead? Still no reason to call the RNLI.
| MoodySabre |
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| 02/07/2008 18:59 |
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Dont Seastart do 'instant' membership?
Yer - just give your credit card details out on VHF
| SirSnoozalot |
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| 02/07/2008 23:55 |
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Errr, it did say that the lifeboatman "sailed" his boat back into Lymington.
| BrendanS |
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| 02/07/2008 23:58 |
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You expect a journalist to understand the actual meaning of the word, as opposed to what happened?
| SirSnoozalot |
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| 03/07/2008 00:09 |
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Well, I see your point, but in the absence of other information to the contrary etc...
| tom52 |
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| 03/07/2008 00:15 |
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Sometimes, like greatness, the RNLI is thrust upon you.
| iain789 |
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| 03/07/2008 00:44 |
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I'm really glad this forum is full of expert sailors to keep the rest of us mere mortals in our place.
In a situation like this one does not 'call out the RNLI', one calls the coastguard to notify them of the problem. They make the decision as to what response is appropriate.
Had a similar situation last season with a rope round my prop while heading toward the marina (which was on a lee shore). Could probably have got into marina, and possibly got onto a pontoon, but would have risked some expensive crunches on the way, with no obvious plan B if it all went pear shaped. Called marina on channel 80 to see if they had a workboat. They didn't. (it was the weekend). Avised me to let coastguard know of the situation, which I did, and I emphasised that we were in no danger. Next thing I knew, the local ILB was charging out towards us and three charming lifeboatmen towed us in and assisted us to put boat on pontoon.
I apologised profusely, and was told not to worry, and that they preferred to be told of a problem early, while it was still a small problem, rather than have people wait till the [--word removed--] really hits the fan and a big problem develops.
| Galadriel |
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| 03/07/2008 09:25 |
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Dont be to harsh on forum debate, its what its all about.
Judging from your own reported experience, you agree with what many of us are saying, your actions, in fact, were very restrained, a CG call in those circumstances might well have been more appropriate than the marina.
| channelyacht |
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| 03/07/2008 09:50 |
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In a situation like this one does not 'call out the RNLI', one calls the coastguard to notify them of the problem. They make the decision as to what response is appropriate.
Yes, but...
The decision the MRCC makes is influenced by other factors. For example, had the call been along the lines of "my engine has failed, I'm anchoring and have called Sea Start as I am a member", it is highly unlikely a lifeboat would be tasked unless there were other factors, such as young children on board.
It's interesting to note that as I'm on LB crews both here and in France, the French attitude is very different. Yes, we would go out in a similar situation, but a charge would be made and agreed for a commercial tow - which is basically what this job is. After all, you wouldn't expect an ambulance to tow you off the motorway would you?
| iain789 |
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| 03/07/2008 10:14 |
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Yes, but...
the French attitude is very different. Yes, we would go out in a similar situation, but a charge would be made and agreed for a commercial tow - which is basically what this job is. After all, you wouldn't expect an ambulance to tow you off the motorway would you?
Indeed, but in the absence of any realistic alternative.....
Anyway, I suspect most reasonable people would do what I did - a sensible donation to local RNLI funds, a letter of thanks, and some bottles of liquid refreshment for the crew. And lots of good will all round, and yes my RNLI membership will be renewed again (for the 15th year). (And no, I'm not suggesting that that entitles me to anything at all from them.)
If presented with a bill, I'd have paid it gladly, (probably less than I ended up spending), but the good will would have been so much less. All in all, as in many things, I prefer the UK way.
| DRANNIE |
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| 03/07/2008 14:51 |
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Yes it did whats yer point? I think I was trying to convey that not everyone would be confident to sail their new 46ft boat through busy mooring and into a finger berth or be as good as that particlar lifeboatman. You should however be of a standard to park somewhere safe under sail. I doubt I could sail my boat up a narrow drying creek, through moored boats half way up the fairway and into a finger berth, but I could pick up a bouy and call the marina.
I suppose if the life boat did then come and get me and I was slagged off on here I would feel miffed :-)
| Login_name |
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| 03/07/2008 17:11 |
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I suppose if the life boat did then come and get me and I was slagged off on here I would feel miffed :-)
The difference is that you are not a celebrity.
If you were then a trivial incident like this would be reported in the press for all to see, jump to conclusions, and slag you off.
Just imagine what people would be saying if it had been more serious.
| Twister_Ken |
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| 03/07/2008 17:41 |
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"Just imagine what people would be saying if it had been more serious."
I dare say the red tops would have spelled Buerk differently.
| kittern |
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| 04/07/2008 12:40 |
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He was on a friend's boat ... don't let the facts etc etc ......