Bajansailor
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The article below was copied from the latest edition of the e-zine 'Bow Wave' (www.wavyline.com) - I think it summarises nicely what many forumites were arguing passionately about a week or 2 ago elsewhere.
From Derek Luxford of Australian solicitors Hicksons:-
Some of you may have seen on tv or read in the papers in the last few weeks scenes of hundreds of people flocking to a beach in Devon (UK) furiously helping themselves to cargoes washed up on the beach from the container vessel MSC NAPOLI as if there was no tomorrow. The ship has not sunk, it is stranded and most of its cargo (all in containers) is still on the ship. The containers which have ended up on the beach appear to have been washed off the ship accidentally as opposed to being deliberately jettisoned to lighten the cargo. The cargo includes valuable items like BMW motor bikes as well as less attractive consumer goods such as disposable nappies, and chemicals and other dangerous goods. These cargo hunters have been variously called pirates, scavengers, salvors, and lots else besides. Some of them look very professional and others look a bit like Spike Milligan's "Beachcomber" character for those old enough to recall his madcap tv show some years ago.
Who owns the goods ? Can you just help yourself in these situations? Can you keep the goods with or without paying anyone for them? Do you have to tell anyone that you have taken the goods? What would happen if the vessel was stranded off a Sydney beach? The answer is much the same in Australia as in England due to the prominence of English maritime law and customs in Australia and many other places. The situation is governed by the Commonwealth Navigation Act 1912 and the common law. This is the legal position:
1. No, you can not just help yourself with impunity.
2. The goods still belong to their owner (ie whoever paid for them to be on the ship in the first place), and in this case the ownership will be capable of fairly easy identification. It might be different if the goods had been washed off a vessel which sank way out at sea. Goods floating around the sea after the ship sinks or which have been jettisoned are called flotsam and jetsam respectively and sometimes a beachcomber might be able to acquire good title to them. But not in this case.
3. You should report your find of the wrecked cargo to the quaintly named Receiver of Wrecks! In practice this may mean the local policeman. If you do this you may in some circumstances be able to obtain a salvage award as remuneration from salving the cargo if it has any marketable value after your salvage efforts. Do not expect much of a reward unless your efforts have involved unusual risk to your own life or property.
4. If you just make off stealthily with what you have picked up on the beach with no intention of returning it to its rightful owner you are a good old fashioned thief and liable to prosecution if you do not return the goods. It's also common law conversion. The insurers of the goods may come after you exercising their subrogated rights. Those people unwise enough to have advertised their beachcombing activities to the world may well find themselves having to invite the Courts to look at ways of expanding defences such as "I was just trying to give the bike a decent home guv' till the real owner came along, and no, I have no idea why it appeared on ebay".
5. You can always buy the goods from their true owner on a "salvage" basis which will give you a bargain and good title as well as showing you are a good citizen. I can see lots of people rushing to the owners can't you? However the scavengers are not pirates. Piracy involves boarding a ship at sea with violence;
6. Best to do it quietly at night and keep quiet later is the lesson for the beachwise.
7. If the ship is not floated free or otherwise moved fairly soon then the Government will give its owners a Wreck Removal Notice to move it to stop it being a menace to navigation, the environment etc; big penalties apply if it is not moved pronto.
8. Ships are usually insured for wreck removal liabilities as well as for loss and damage to cargo and damage they cause to third parties and their properties. in these situtions the shipowner will usually arrange to have salvors attempt to salvage the ship and cargo as quickly as possible to prevent further loss and damage to everyone concerned including the environment. After the salvage is completed the parties try to sort out their claims as to who owes who how much for salvaging the ship and cargo and for causing the loss and damage in the first place. Sometimes these claims are resolved amicably and sometimes they end up in court or arbitration.
Watch out for any Transport and Trade team members bearing any articles looking suspiciously waterlogged.
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tcm
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good stuff - wd get a biggeraudience on s'butt i spose...
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Bajansailor
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Do most folk only tune in to eg Scuttlebutt, or PBO, or the Mobo forum? I always have a browse through everything from this one upwards in the list, and I occasionally peruse the ones lower down. Am sure that anybody who is interested in the Napoli will find this. But there again, the Pikeys and Co have been stopped from salving cargo, so its probably all rather boring now to most folk....
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Mirelle
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Have they paid their Light Dues Bill yet - after all, they are discharging cargo* in a British port...
* 30-90 boxes a day, at the moment. Who needs Felixstowe?
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tome
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Hee hee!
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Mirelle
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Met a couple of her managers at the Plumber's Ball on Friday; they pointed out that she is well below budget on cylinder oil and victualling at the moment...
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philip_stevens
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But the OWS has a high water content in the sludge, so that will have to be landed in some 3rd world country - as per usual, UK.
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Philip
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Bajansailor
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The article below was copied from the latest issue (#58) of 'Changing Course', the newsletter of Spinnaker Consulting Ltd (who are shipping recruiters) - I thought you might like these thoughts re the Napoli, and shipping in general.
"SHIPPING? What's that all about then?"
How often have you been on the receiving end of a comment like that? If, like us, you've lost count, you no doubt recognize, with frustration, the invisibility of our great industry. Like any minority (although we are a significant one) we huddle together in ghettos - Piraeus, Nor-Shipping, London, Posidonia - and the rest of society only ever sees us, when, like a mugger from the 'hood, we commit some crime, leaving oil-spattered victims in our wake.
But, no more. Instead, like a phoenix from the ashes, shipping is emerging from the bad news shadows. Our former Chairman Michael Grey, a shining beacon who has sailed through many a five year special survey unscathed, has found a way to put a positive spin on the latest shipping casualty. So much so in fact that we hear he is now been pursued by Britain's political leaders as they seek new purveyors of spin for the next UK General Election.
In an article in the Spring 2007 edition of 'Seafarer' magazine* Michael looked down upon the MSC Napoli from a variety of perspectives: "But there was one very positive aspect to this regrettable shipwreck, in that on the front pages of our newspapers and in the TV news bulletins, people who never think for a second about how their goods are actually carried around were given a salutary reminder of why we all need ships. People who, every day, take shipping completely for granted, were provided with an insight into the watery world of present-day maritime trade. "Here, spread out for the TV cameras on the South Devon beach, was a cornucopia of goods that were being transported by this big ship from North Europe down to South Africa, but had seen their voyage rudely interrupted."
How true this is. During our routine shipping training at Spinnaker when a recruiter joins us from outside the industry we immerse them in sea water until they come up talking sea-speak. We have recently welcomed on board Nicola Wood, who has a civil engineering recruitment background, and Talia St. Clayre, who has joined us from the world of finance recruitment. And the MSC Napoli has proved a useful addition to our training talks. They've seen it, they know what was on board (even if the shiny new motorbikes and personal possessions have been driven away by modern-day Devon beachcombers, otherwise known as thieves).
We teach them though, that shipping is not all about casualties; none of them can ever remember the name of another. And we always enjoy the gasps and looks of surprise when we tell them a few facts about shipping. For example:
" It costs half a cent per litre, of the purchase price, to transport crude oil from the Middle East to the US " It costs ten dollars to ship a TV set from Asia to Europe " Ships can cost as much as two hundred million dollars " A football pitch is 100m long, the Eiffel Tower is 318m tall, the Swiss Re Gherkin is 180m tall, the world's largest ship the Jahre Viking is 451m long " A ULCC carries enough oil to heat a city for a year and the largest bulk carriers carry enough to feed half a million people for a year " A cargo vessel carrying over 8000 tonnes emits 15g CO2 per tonne kilometer compared to a 747's 540g
It's not a bad industry. It can even be quite interesting. And there's a great company that gets excited about recruiting for it. Give us a call on +44 (0)1702 480142 or visit our website www.shippingjobs.com.
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