boatone
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"10 knots for most of the trip. Only twice the PLA speed limit!"
Lets not exaggerate, speed limit is 8knots above Wandsworth.
And they were coming up on the tide so that would have given them a good boost.
What concerns me is not how long it took them or average speed but the sheer bad manners and ignorance if they were making excessive wash. No excuse and should be named and shamed!
Can't expect responsible behaviour from other river users if we don't behave well ourselves.
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GrantK
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There is no point or need to speed. St Kats to Richmond sluices is just on 14 miles. Push too hard and you beat the tide and have to wait for the sluices to open. If they left St Kats at 1230 and arrived at Richmond after 1400, they had taken a minimum of 1.5 hours to cover 14 miles. 14 divided by 2 =7. mph. The tidal stream for most of the way would have been around 1.5 knts. So their actual boat speed was probably about 5.5 Knts. Hardly over the top.
If you are sitting in a rowing skiff facing the 'wrong way' with your head three feet from the waters edge in a boat with about 6 inches freeboard, I'm sure any wash looks threatening. And IanC, just for your info, I came back on Saturday,the trip from St Kats to Richmond sluices took me just on two hours, 14 minutes . The rest of the trip took me a further 1.5 hours. According to the GPS I never got above 6knts all the way up Richmond , and still I was screamed at by a coaching boat,sans coachees, which over-took me near Putney. Can't win can you. 
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apollo
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Tony - Not always that black and white....
Whereas I agree in this particular situation with an hour to go before high tide and coming in WITH the tide there was absolutely no need to push, so severe b@llocking is due.
But sometimes when leaving Teddington to go outbound and wait for the booms to go up at Richmond, the tide is still coming in for another hour or so and hence you are punching the tide, and have approx 2hours to make St Kats within the lock cycle before they shut and you are stuck out on the river all night.
In that situation you have very little alternative but to keep within the 8knots limit.
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rr_123
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out of interest, what was "the rest of the trip"?
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Coastgal
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Yes, speed limit IS 8kn, and when you're on a rising tide, you can be moving bl***y quick. But river users need to be aware of what impact their wash is having. Forget about looking at the speed log - look at the river bank and other river users...are they being hampered/injured/knocked about by a boat's wash? If so, the skipper needs to take appropriate action and slow down.
On the pontoon I was on, it was very clear the moored boats were being thrown about by wash from earlier boats, so the later boats should have slowed down.
The rowers in question were in Putney, not Richmond, with plenty of open water and were quite close to foreshore. Yes, they're an angry bunch much of the time, but I think they probably had good reason on this occasion.
I think in future I'll check the Club's social calendar for the date of their next downriver outing. Then stay safely ensconced in a pub at least 1 mile from the river - don't want to get hit with the tidal wave do I? 
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Chris_d
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They have also had the dubious privilege of being banned from the annual ATYC rally for one year with one boat in particular banned for 5 years.
What on earth did they do to get banned?
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byron
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They got beaten by Harleyford Motor Yacht Club in a competition and displayed such appalling bad grace such as had to be seen to be believed.
I was there and even today, all these years later, I still have trouble getting my head around what they did.
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boatone
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But sometimes when leaving Teddington to go outbound and wait for the booms to go up at Richmond, the tide is still coming in for another hour or so and hence you are punching the tide, and have approx 2hours to make St Kats within the lock cycle before they shut and you are stuck out on the river all night.
In that situation you have very little alternative but to keep within the 8knots limit.
You have a truly excellent alternative to carry on a little further to Limehouse, much better managed in and out, much cheaper and wider tide window.
Excellent restaurants in the Commercial Road without being ripped off with the tourists ! 
And anyway, in this case they were coming back upriver with a following tide and no such problems.
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jkay
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I throw a few logs on all the time,never past moored boats or
other boats on the river its wake not speed that does the
damage
Cheers Joe
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TrueBlue
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Reged: 30/04/2004
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Loc: Sussex
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Beaten by Harleyford - heavens
I'm so glad I didn't join a club on the Thames..
TAKE COVER!
Perhaps it's time, Mr. Alexander that you started a club for Gentlefolk (i.e. nice people, don't have to be or feel posh) just those who thoroughly enjoy the river. After you've got all the facilities, a wonderful long lawn (when it's not underwater), a giant marquee, hot and cold running beer a short swimming distance away.
What about a burgee - heads of EA and Boat Scheme managers on a trident (vacant prong for GBrown?).
Might cause some amusement while we wait for the river to stop running so much, and warmer weather.
(Better not go to TVR this year...)
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