Metronicity
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Want to join me in rescuing a grand old lady of the sea? Hermann Goering's 90 foot motor yacht is waiting to be restored. Built in 1937, she was seized by General Montgomery at the end of WWII as a spoil of war and given to the British Royal Family who used her as a pleasure boat for 15 years. Then given back to Goering's daughter...sold to the Hitler Diaries guy...ended up in Egypt and was seized by Gaddafi in 1987. She's been at a mooring in the Red Sea since then. Largely intact. Motors work. Hull sound. Shafts sabotaged when she was in dry dock. Needs a lot of work but what a vessel! Have a look at the photos here -
Goerings "CARIN II"
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Seagreen
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Seen your pics. Sure is an ugly vessel, so not my thing at all. However, would be a great rebuild opportunity and especially funny if it could be owned and re-flagged as Israeli...
That would make Goering's ghost purple with rage!
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Chrusty1
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Would make a great bonfire!
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B175Chris
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I disagree, it'd make the bonfire look ugly 
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channelyacht
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Max Mosely might be interested...
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Clifford_Pope
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She looks nice in profile and in front, especially in the old pictures - a typical 30s motor yacht. But the stern is much too wide - the designer seemed to run out of elegance at that point.
BTW Gaddafi is Libya, not Egypt.
Carin, usually spelt Karin, was Goring's first wife. He forced his second wife to live in her shadow, naming his grotesque hunting lodge Karinhall in her memory. That, unlike his yacht, was demolished after the war.
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Chrusty1
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Regardless of the aesthetics of the thing, I think it should be burned, or towed out to some point off soundings and sent to the bottom. The world doesn't need another Nazi icon!
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scottie
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I always thought that Goerings yacht was called Sea Wolf and was owned by the Simpson Lawrence family and was kept on the clyde for many years 1950-70s era but its likely he had at least a couple.
Another boat that was a prize was Lady Prudence which when she was stripped back to varnish was found to have been machine gunned and was dotted alover with patches .
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Englander
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So you would like to burn "Nord wind" as well? A boat is not her owner, she wasnt owned by Nazi's for very long!!
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Chrusty1
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So you would like to burn "Nord wind" as well? A boat is not her owner, she wasnt owned by Nazi's for very long!!
If I was Scottie, I think I would be scratching my head a bit right now?
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anteak
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I love the bit about him commissioning the boat to mark his second marriage to Emmy but naming it after his first wife, Karin!
What sensitivity. No wonder he went so far in spite of the pastel uniforms!
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Sneds
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Shouldn't it be about the boat not the politics? 
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Chrusty1
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Should it?.........I think it's about a lot more than just politics, but you have your point of view, and I have mine. Look, if it was just a windfall, from some German sailing club, I wouldn't feel as strongly about it, but that boat, at least as far as I am concerned, represents a lot more than that, maybe some of us have longer memories than others?
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No_Regrets
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FFS, he's dead.
You can all go round burning Beetles and old Boats, but in case you didn't notice, we won the war.
Although I wonder if it was worth it sometimes 
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Metronicity
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Yes I'm aware of where Libya is but that's where the beginning of the end started - have you even followed the link and read the story?
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Seagreen
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Thats why having it sailing under an Israeli ensign would be so choice. 1930's mobos aren't my thing (see avatar), but they are better looking than todays gin palaces. so I'd like to think that someone out there does have the spare cash and the inclination to see her restored.
Sure, I think she's ugly but if in the right hands, and with the right new owner, she'd be great... if you like that sort of thing.
I couldn't resist this. Just enjoy the irony...
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oldfrank
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Speaking of the 3rd Reich and much closer to home. Herr Mescherschmit's (confident he spelled it differently) sailing yacht is decaying in a yard in Great Yarmouth. Really bad condition - worse - doesn't look as if it was up to much when it was new. OF
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Debutante21Sixpence
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I don't think I have particularly bad taste, but checked with my wife just in case and we both think she has the makings of a very nice boat, and at 90ft I'm very tempted to get involved (if only I had the money) . Niether of us can understand what this hang up some people have is all about. So she was built for a senior German officer in WWII, so what, she's a nice boat and I wouldn't care if she was built for A.H. himself, I just see a nice boat
I do like the irony though 
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2nd_apprentice
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Why not get Erich Honecker's "Ostseeland"?
70's commie style and CCTV in every room!
Ah, that luxury! Those east German dictators sure knew how to seriously show off and throw up in style.
But if that's just not flamboyant enough for you get Saddam's gin palace!
Perhaps adding Pol Pot's cutlery and Idi Amin's fridge (for chilled drinks so everybody keeps a cool head) would be nice too, not?
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Debutante21Sixpence
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Simple really, I don't like those but I do like the look of Carin II
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Chrusty1
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I don't think I have particularly bad taste, but checked with my wife just in case and we both think she has the makings of a very nice boat, and at 90ft I'm very tempted to get involved (if only I had the money) . Niether of us can understand what this hang up some people have is all about. So she was built for a senior German officer in WWII, so what, she's a nice boat and I wouldn't care if she was built for A.H. himself, I just see a nice boat
I do like the irony though
A senior german officer?.......you make him sound almost honourable. If you are inclined to do so, maybe have a read of this....
http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/goering.html
Some people might find that wanting to be associated with, and to admire something connected with a piece of [--word removed--] like Hermann Goering, just a tad sick. Still what the heck, it was all a long time ago must be all of 63 years, and what does it matter that millions of people died?
Well actually to me, and I am sure to many others it matters a great deal. I am also sure that nothing I have to say will stop anybody trying to make a few quid out of restoring the bloody thing.
For me, restoring that boat is no different to collecting and wearing Nazi uniforms and insignia, still some people will try to attach credibility to all kinds of sick pursuits and pastimes, am I being intolerant here? Probably, but I think society is way too tolerant of all kinds of shite these days.
I expect that in truth, I am just a small voice in the wilderness, but it doesn't mean that I am wrong, does it?
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Sneds
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Not wrong at all, and I empathise with your sentiments, I really do, but this is a boat not a Nazi simbol, just a boat.
Would you not visit Austria 'cos Hitler was born there, or Paris 'cos the "Germans" marched through the city?
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Chrusty1
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Hello Iain,
Just a boat?....I wish it was, then it would be a worthwhile project, but I fear that if it is restored, it will be sold on the basis that it was Hermann Goerings boat, and not that it is just a vintage motor boat. As it was Goerings boat it is very much a symbol, and for some sick twats, a very desirable symbol! Well look, I have said my piece, no point in rambling on about it.
Have a great day.
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Clifford_Pope
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I don't think burning things because you don't like their owners, or consider the style "decadent" achieves very much.
The nazis were rather into that kind of thing themselves - Reichstag, books, people.
There was once a movement to hang the Kaiser, but I notice his yacht is now restored.
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Chrusty1
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I don't think burning things because you don't like their owners, or consider the style "decadent" achieves very much.
The nazis were rather into that kind of thing themselves - Reichstag, books, people.
There was once a movement to hang the Kaiser, but I notice his yacht is now restored.
I don't mind at all if you disagree with me. but inane comments like that serve nothing. If you can't or don't want to understand the symbolism attached to that boat, well what's to say really? I suppose that you might think it's ok, to collect and or restore just about anything because it is old or you consider it to be interesting? Do you really not see that for some people, to see that boat restored and swanning about the waters various, would be deeply offensive, and belittling of the suffering that that the Nazis perpetrated in WW2?
I said I wasn't going to say anymore about it, but I felt that for you to suggest that I was in someway as bad as the Nazis for suggesting that the thing would be better destroyed, is deeply offensive to me! With that, I have said all I am going to say.
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Clifford_Pope
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I'm sorry. I'm not trying to be offensive.
Someone famous once said, where they burn books, soon they will be burning people, and the nazis exemplified that only too well.
Burning symbols, if that is what it is, does not allay old inhumanities. In fact it often creates the very symbol you are concerned about. The nazis doubtless thought it was a smart move to burn the parliament building, but instead the pictures that went round the world created a lasting monument to the end of democracy.
Anyway, I'd change the name if it were my yacht.
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Chrusty1
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No problem Clifford  .......as I said, I will leave it now.
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Englander
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I dont think you have bad taste either, I think she would look fabulous, renovated, imagine all that varnish work looking gleaming and the topsides etc, refitted in style with sympathy she would look great!
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Debutante21Sixpence
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Exactly my thoughts too. I would also re-name her and try and lose the links to her former life, but she would make a really nice boat for someone with the time (I have plenty) and money (sadly lacking there) to return her to her former glory.
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saltwater_gypsy
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The BNP will probably put in an offer!
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Seagreen
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The BNP will probably put in an offer!
What? Something along the lines of "sell to us for a fiver or we'll shove dog poo through yer letterbox..."
If the BNP did buy it, they'd cover it in cuprinol brown fence paint and the galley could only cook chips. You could run the engines on the methane from the bad beer, though..
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starfire
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Nordwind, a KFK (Kreigsfishkutter) used as a sail training boat.
One of some 600 boats produced during WW2, most number of boats of one type produced by anyone during the war.
78 ft long, Hull 4cm oak on steel frames.
Used to have one.
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