MapisM
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Dunno Haydn, even accepting that sometimes Paul's threads can be seen as boring (I also joked a bit about the endless fuel consumption debates recently), I fail to understand how a pure rant can add to sanity, either in a forum or elsewhere.
Whenever I'm not interested in a thread, or find it utterly useless, i just move on.
I'm not saying that I never posted harsh comments, but I only did in reply to equally unpolite 'attacks'.
In most of your recent gludy-related posts, I often had the impression that the rant was unnecessarily started (can't remember Paul having a go at a post of yours, to start with, but I might be wrong) and at least as useless as the original post you were arguing against.
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Beadle
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Hang on a minute
You objected to HLB's comments
I wanted to make a similar point but tried to do it so as to avoid giving any offense.
Why object to my trying to be polite?
I don't think there is a law against walking down the street with a purple lampshade on your head.
But why would anyone bother to ask if there was unless he was considering the possibility of it happening.
All I tried to do was talk thro some of the possibilities.
Further, I did point out the bit about safe havens which indicates there might be law which at least implies the right (legally) to enter a port or harbour.
If its so important then perhaps best you consult a lawyer who can give a definitive answer
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Gludy
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I apologise for dragging you into this - I mixed you up with them other two.
There is nothing wring with your question asking it as you did in good faith and I once again apologise for placing you in the wrong camp.
I am very fed up with the antics of Haydn and co.
The the thread started out of simple curiosity and it was not in any way meant as a big subject but Hadyn and co just cannot leave it at that.
I really think they have succeeded in making a small peaceful thread with a few interesting tales into another mess which seems to be their aim.
For the record my own view on the matter is that I have never come across an unfriendly port in the UK - there may be some but I have not found them. I think there is an unwritten code - or at least I will think that until someone points to a written rule. However it seems that the same does not apply in some other countries.
On the other hand someone may have been able to point to a written rule and that would have been interesting and educational - at least to me.
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Gludy
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But why would anyone bother to ask if there was unless he was considering the possibility of it happening.
Throughout my life I have asked questions. The questions often do not relate to me. Some do, some do not. In this case the question had occurred to me for the reasons I have made clear and I simply wished to find if there were laws as a matter of simple interest. It was not vital to me, not the end of the world and it brought forward some good stories of actual events.
As always with Haydn and co instead of the subject being discussed the debate become one based on personal abuse.
I have no objection to the mickey being taken out of me as was done in a recent thread - I even joined in. However from the outset that thread was just that - taking the Mickey and poking fun at my style - that is OK with me. Haydn is not doing that.
In attacking me for raising the question and calling it stupid Haydn also devalued those who had contributed to the thread.
Well Haydn you won yet again - the thread was almost over but you waded ion with your nasty remarks and got a nice little flurry going making it difficult for anyone who wanted to contribute to return to the subject .... pathetic.
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BrendanS
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I think there is an unwritten code - or at least I will think that until someone points to a written rule
This is what people are querying. What evidence do you have that there is an unwritten code or agenda?, or why are you asking the question? If most people say they have never been barred from entering a harbour or port when a storm is arriving or has arrived, the only real difficulty is whether it is actually safe to enter in the conditions at them time.
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Gludy
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Here come more indians!!!
I am asking the question because I knew of the law relating to boats and wondered if there was one relating to harbours....... are questions not allowed????
"What evidence do you have that there is an unwritten code or agenda?"
I think there is an understanding by UK Harbours that they would help - my evidence is the attitude of some harbours when I was in trouble on more than one occasion in my last boat - one lock stayed open 2 hours after time to get me in crippled and in a worsening weather situation.
"why are you asking the question? "
because I would like to know the answer!!! My own experience is limited in this regard and I wanted others to point to a law and share experiences.
"If most people say they have never been barred from entering a harbour or port when a storm is arriving or has arrived, the only real difficulty is whether it is actually safe to enter in the conditions at them time."
No one is arguing about the danger entering a harbour in a storm. Yet experiences were related were it seems clear you may well be barred - I would not trust a marina that dumps unseaworthy boats outside.
Now why are you going down the road of a cross examination on why I should even ask the question??? Want to join the pack? 
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Beadle
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You said:
"The points being made - as is often the case are totally absurd - that a class A cat should be able to take anything the UK waters can throw at it!!!!! "
Gludy said
"The long range boat I will be buying will exceed Class A Ocean going and will be capable of riding out a storm..... yes."
I said
"One of the advantages of a cat is that they are less uncomfortably in bad weather and a 50ft version should be able to cope with almost anything around the British coast."
Please tell me
Which bit is absurd
All seem quite sensible to me
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hlb
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Let's not go over the top here. I was not having a rant. I said the post was stupid, which it is. I dont see that as mortally wounding gludy.
Now. If we take note. There are hundreds reading these threads. Many very new to the sea. Not everyone is a member.
Gludy talks from experience, or sounds like it anyway.
But, no ones ever been refused entry to a harbour. Marina maybe. But thats hardly the end of the world.
Infact you can look in nearly any harbour guide book. It tells you, you will never be refused entry.
Look a bit stupid wouldnd it. Stop outside till you sink. Um, forgot, we have to send the life boat, flippin eck, oh hell elf and fking safety, arrg the pollution issues dont bear thinking about. Then there the law about having to help folk in distress. The paper work would be endless.
No, I'm just thinking of the folks on the outside, looking in. Maybe thinking of buying a boat. Wont let me back in to harbour, shock horror, stuff that for a game of soldiers.
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BrendanS
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I think there is an understanding by UK Harbours that they would help - my evidence is the attitude of some harbours when I was in trouble on more than one occasion in my last boat - one lock stayed open 2 hours after time to get me in crippled and in a worsening weather situation
No indians involved here, just puzzled about a question which seems to suggest some undercurrent of harbours refusing access. Your own post seems to suggest that they go out of their way to help? So I'm puzzled about your original question, and some of your subsequent posts. I don't understand fully what this thread is supposed to be about? Do you have personal experience of being denied, or have heard of others being denied access, other than being warned it's not sensible to try and access a particular harbour or port, as in certain conditions, any sensible harbour master would warn you off in conditions he knows to be dangerous.
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Gludy
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"One of the advantages of a cat is that they are less uncomfortably in bad weather and a 50ft version should be able to cope with almost anything around the British coast."
Please tell me
Which bit is absurd
1. If there were a f10 of f11 coming in whilst the cat may very well survive it would be in considerable more danger than if it avoided the storm.
2. Anyone with sense would want to avoid such a storm because they are dangerous and stressing to all on the boat.
3. The British coast can throw up terrible weather - just look at the wrecks all around it.
The safest course of action for any skipper in a storm is to avoid the storm if at all possible. If I was in the cat I would make for the nearest sanctuary ahead of the storm. If I was caught in the storm then I would heave to and use a para anchor but I would not enjoy a bit of it and would be doing something I have never done before.
So to take the view that because you are in a boat that exceeds class A and can ride out a storm you should choose to do that instead of avoiding it, is just absurd.
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