BrendanS
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If you are going into sanctuary ahead of the storm, why on earth would they refuse you? Your logic just doesn't make any sense at all.
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Gludy
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No, I'm just thinking of the folks on the outside, looking in. Maybe thinking of buying a boat. Wont let me back in to harbour, shock horror, stuff that for a game of soldiers.
Sorry hlb you cannot slip out like that.
At no point have I said other than I think there is an unwritten code in UK harbours - I asked a question - I waited to give my views. So its you that has caused the confusion to Newbies not me!!!
In fact by calling my perfectly valid question stupid you discourage them from being subjected to the dirt you hand out and so stop them posting.
Not once ever have I joined in a thread of yours and do what you do to me on a regular basis.
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Gludy
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No indians involved here, just puzzled about a question which seems to suggest some undercurrent of harbours refusing access. Your own post seems to suggest that they go out of their way to help? So I'm puzzled about your original question, and some of your subsequent posts. I don't understand fully what this thread is supposed to be about? Do you have personal experience of being denied, or have heard of others being denied access, other than being warned it's not sensisble to try and access a particular harbour or port, as in certain conditions, any sensisble harbour master would warn you off in conditions he knows to be dangerous.
No - not once have I implied that. I simply wanted to know of there was a law on it just like there is when you are skipper of a boat. Pure simple interest.
The original question was to see if there was a law I was not aware of - thats all.
As it happens there do seem to be overseas harbours that may well resist entry .
You are going way over the top looking for commies under the bed next but I suppose you feel sage as part of the pack:)
I have a telescope and ask questions about the moon but it does not mean I intend t=o go there!!!
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"One of the advantages of a cat is that they are less uncomfortably in bad weather and a 50ft version should be able to cope with almost anything around the British coast."
Please tell me
Which bit is absurd
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1. If there were a f10 of f11 coming in whilst the cat may very well survive it would be in considerable more danger than if it avoided
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Blah, blah, blah, adfinitum blah.
No you would be tucked up in bed, in the harbour that your trying yer best to get banned from. Silly bugger. I'd ban yer anyway. 
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BrendanS
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You are just trolling now. Night
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Gludy
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If you are going into sanctuary ahead of the storm, why on earth would they refuse you? Your logic just doesn't make any sense at all.
I never said they would - anywhere.
On your absurd logic why would a skipper refuse to try and help someone else in trouble on the sea - but there is still a law about it.
Why should anyone murder anyone else - there is still a law about it.
I simply asked the question if there was a law - I stated my view that there is an unwritten lae in the UK and was even cross examined on that.
Hlb and pack discourage so many from posting on this forum because of this truly stupid, childish behaviour the pack is exhibiting.
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Beadle
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Oh for goodness sake
Read the post
I never said or implied that staying out in storm conditions was preferable
Its a matter of balancing the risk.
There are many instances where staying out at sea is far safer than trying to enter a port (jumping out of the frying pan into the fire)
Surely the whole point is in f10-11 condx there are many harbours which are not safe to enter, Try a f10 N Easter anywhere on the East coast and you will be lucky to get in anywhere. There are perhaps 4 or 5 havens where you could get in between the Harwich and the Forth
I merely pointed out that a boat such as the one you are looking at buying makes that option less of a risk. I can well imagine the circumstances where I might (wrongly) try entry in a lightweight 26ft boat rather than stay out in bad condx. In a 50ft cat I would be much happier to ride it it out.
Isn't that why people buy bigger boats?
Similarly parking a small keel boat in strong winds in a crowded harbour is likely to be much less fraught than trying the same in a 50 ft cat, or at least you will do less damage.
You manage the risk as best you can - the big boat offers a different range of options
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BrendanS
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You are being devious. If you've been cross examined, you have a particular court case in mind? Which unwritten law are you referring to?
Just be honest, and you might get some decent answers, rather than all the gibberish.
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Let me make it very clear to you. Brendan is not in my pack. Nor me in his. Any half wit readers will be very aware of that.
Theres something about. When in a hole, stop..... dam I forgot.
To be pedantic. To rescue some one at sea. You have to do something about it. Like try to rescue them.
As a harbour master, there is nothing to do. If he tried to stop them from entering. That is murder or manslaughter if yer lucky. There is no law, saying it, again, because any harbour master refusing entry would be insane. The logic of why he may refuse, dont bare thinking about. Damage to his newly sand blasted harbour walls?? The whole thought of a harbour refusing entry is stupid. Well, there not keen on Russian war ships in plymouth, but thats entirely a different issue. They are allowed to shelter in the sound though.
Humm, it's hard work......Theres no law cos to stop entry in a storm, would be difficult or piracy...... Or as above adfinitum.
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Gludy
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I will answer each point.
The thread was nopt about me it was a valid question about if there were laws on the matter or not - that was it - no more no less.
"I never said or implied that staying out in storm conditions was preferable"
Then the points was meaningless because it had no bearing on the issue being discussed.
"Its a matter of balancing the risk.@
I totally agree.
"There are many instances where staying out at sea is far safer than trying to enter a port (jumping out of the frying pan into the fire)"
I totally agree/
"Surely the whole point is in f10-11 condx there are many harbours which are not safe to enter, Try a f10 N Easter anywhere on the East coast and you will be lucky to get in anywhere. There are perhaps 4 or 5 havens where you could get in between the Harwich and the Forth"
I totally agree but had already made it clear on the thread that the situation was escaping to a harbour BEFORE the storm had hit and that this might make the harbours decision more difficult.
"I merely pointed out that a boat such as the one you are looking at buying makes that option less of a risk. I can well imagine the circumstances where I might (wrongly) try entry in a lightweight 26ft boat rather than stay out in bad condx. In a 50ft cat I would be much happier to ride it it out."
That may be the case but the thread was not about me - it was about if there was a law or not governing the genera; situation.
"Isn't that why people buy bigger boats?"
Its part of the reason but has no bearing whatsoever on the issue being discussed - the issue assumes that the skipper is seeking refuge before a storm to escape the worst of the storm. Making it personal to me it to me is not what it is about.
"Similarly parking a small keel boat in strong winds in a crowded harbour is likely to be much less fraught than trying the same in a 50 ft cat, or at least you will do less damage."
True and agreed but again not even the subject of the thread.
"You manage the risk as best you can - the big boat offers a different range of options"
True and fasle a smaller but faster boat may be better. BUT again not the issue being discussed.
The discussion was not about a cat, not about me, not about anything other than a question to see if there was law.
Hlb and Co do this to me on many threads - they personalise it and take it away from the subject being discussed insulting me on the way.
If you want to start a thread discussing what best to do in a big boat then do it that. I would agree with most of what you say.
Adfter the BVI i will return to the forum and post some videos. That will be my swan song as I become a raggie and will no longer frequent this forum joining the more peaceful world of Scuttlebut where I am being helped a lot as a Newbie.
So Hlb you will soon have your kingdom all to yourself so that you can continue to censor the asking of any questions that you do not like.
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