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Kawasaki
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Re: Boating Etiquette [Re: Take5]
      #1856188 - 12/05/2008 20:37

Problem Take 5 has.
Some narrow bits to play with in some bits.
A speed limit.
Boats going all over the place in some bits.
Strong currents in some bits too.
Especailly the 5 kt speed limit area outside Dinorwic marina.

So Take maybe doing 5 kts through the water against 4 kts of current by there!
So He could make a sizeable wash (not saying He is ) just a scenario, whilst adhering to said limit.

Then by ere, in some bits by there 6 kts with im = 8kts on tickover!

Through the 'Swellies' no speed limit as such.
The nature of the place decides the speed through.
Ie could be belting through at 7 kts and He will 3 more min to maintain a heading if it's up His chuffer (nautical term for any newbies!), henceforth 10 kts and the Raggies may shake a fist, thinking He's a 'Right Tareaway, a Cad and and All Round Bad Egg, Hooligan retired Jetskier' type ( not saying He is) just a scenario.


Thing is, I see lots of planing mobos slowing down.
Very slowly.
Great.
But , as peeps have said you can still make lots of wake at 5/6/7/ 8kts.

Thing to do with a mobo, semi or planing or rib or whatever.
Is come to off the plane as quickly as possible safely.
Let the hull 'Sit' in the water then gradually build up speed to the safest/ fastest you can go without making too much wash for those that don't want it.

If yo dont let the hull 'Sit' it may still have some bow high attitude and with the arse end still dug in (another technical term for newbies) and quite a wash can ensue.

As to 'how much gap, how far away do we pass'?

Don't matter.
As long as you make your mobo intentions clear.
IE , make a turn that is definative, so's tother guy can see what you are up to.
Take 5 will have noticed in the Straits, the Swellies particularly.
"Rules of the Road"? out the window in some areas.
Peeps mobo and raggie or so intent on not bashing a rock or a sandbank, they seem to sit frozen to the wheel or tiller!
Place has such a Reputation.
Not saying peeps should muck with the place or take it too lightly.
Such is the Reputation visitors, just stick to the 'Main Path' and port to port etc goes out the window.
Local Raggies and mobos just go the 'wrong side' so as not to tweek peeps nerves even further.
I know who the locals are, so we wave and go in all the 'wriong' places.
Take 5 is new to boating and the area.
Doing very well folks by the way.
So He canna take liberties in the tricky bits yet.

Basically, us mobos can slow right down or even stop in tricky bits.
Let the raggie piddle about with His ballywrinkles, luff about go about jibbly jibe tack tick and pull on their sheets and other things no doubt.
We can observe with fascination, crack another tinnie and sod of when He's gone!

Trying to do 8 kts in a planing hull can be difficult, well not difficult but difficult to leave smooth stuff behind.
Currents an all.
So come right off the plane and start again.
You will find you can go just as quick almost and make less wavy stuff.

Gawd, we have to mollycoddle our raggie mates sometimes!

In said speed limit area mentioned.
On Sunday, an Aquabell 27 went past us in the R.I.B doin about 8 kts punching 3 of tide!
Knobhead.
It was awkward for Me.
The R.IB was rockin an rollin as I was pumping water out of one of me students (third time we'd Used Him for MOB ) well nobody told me till we got ashore, that most Schools use an old tyre or summat for MOB drills/ practice.
Anybody wanna power boat lesson in the Sraits?

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Take5
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Re: Boating Etiquette [Re: Kawasaki]
      #1856343 - 12/05/2008 22:01

Big THANKS to all the above contributors. Good to hear things from the view of the "Yachtie".

I will continue to try and do the right thing. But am I right in thinking that in certain situations it would be better on the "Yachtie" if I was to continue on the plane if slowing down is going to cause more wash. i.e it's not the speed that is the problem it is purely the wake ?

THANKS Again to ALL.
(and I wasn't having a cheap dig Tom re the 8knts honest your honour)


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MajorCatastrophe
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Re: Boating Etiquette [Re: Take5]
      #1856372 - 12/05/2008 22:22

Quote:

Thanks for the reply.

When you say "wide berth" how wide is wide? We are in the straits so there isn't always a huge amount of space to be given.

I suppose I should be asking how close is too close?




All of us Menai Strait rats know that sometimes there is little manoeuvring room to give raggies a wide berth. I once spent an afternoon drifting down the straits in my 2.4m tender. It took me a little time to realise that wash has little or no effect on a little rubber boat, (unless you are standing up in it). It just bobs.

So now I don't slow down when I see a couple of blokes quietly fishing in a tender. (Of course, they hadn't cottoned on that there are no fish there.)

But, with raggies, even though I know my boat, on the plane, has negligible wake, I always reduce speed just to avoid those nasty looks. Yes, they get more wash, but it helps massage their egos - Searush excepted, as I will always make sure I offer him a smooth passage. (I think I got away with that.)


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hlb
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Re: Boating Etiquette [Re: Kawasaki]
      #1856374 - 12/05/2008 22:23

So what would the raggies preffer. MF staying at altitude. Or reducing hight, then relighting the after burners, with the resultant vapour trail, I take it they all have radar.

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Re: Boating Etiquette [Re: Take5]
      #1856403 - 12/05/2008 22:35

Bloody hell, you think the Straits are fun ? You should try the sodding Solent! I try to give the raggies as much sea room as I can, at least a cable if I can (see, doesn't the use of the word 'cable' immediately increase my Salty Sea Dog (TM) credentials?). T'ain't always possible, so pass astern if you can, and pass downwind if you can, and don't run head on at them if you can. If all else fails, obviously slowing down makes them feel good and sometimes they even wave in acknowledgment. That's usually just before the massive "I'm doing 10knots" wash hits them...

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Take5
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Re: Boating Etiquette [Re: Wiggo]
      #1856413 - 12/05/2008 22:42

Quote:

That's usually just before the massive "I'm doing 10knots" wash hits them...


lol @ that quote.

I didn't Google it honest but a Cable = 1/10th of a nautical mile (1852 meters)


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Oneaway
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Re: Boating Etiquette [Re: Take5]
      #1856447 - 12/05/2008 23:06

Quote:

Quote:

That's usually just before the massive "I'm doing 10knots" wash hits them...


lol @ that quote.

I didn't Google it honest but a Cable = 1/10th of a nautical mile (1852 meters)




in the RN 1 nautical mile was rounded to 2000 yards, but if memory serves it's 6070ish feet but it was a long time ago,and I'm probably wrong ,but a cable's length on the solent on a sunny weekend very difficult, July/August almost an impossibility, Cowes week stay on yer berth

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Re: Boating Etiquette [Re: Take5]
      #1856623 - 13/05/2008 08:16

I do the same weither they appreciate it or not (ie stop/start), keeps me happy in my own mind.

200m is a good general rule of thumb, especially if overtaking, gives slow or small craft a chance to turn into the wake or prepare which should have dissipated much of it's vertical energy. Passing within 100m is plain nuts! I either slow right down to 6kt at least 200m before close quarter passing head on or keep the speed up and give a very wide berth. For very small open craft I always slow. There's nothing wrong with being considerate or careful with other folks safety.

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Argonautical
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Re: Boating Etiquette [Re: OceanFroggie]
      #1856644 - 13/05/2008 08:31

I'm not going to rant here...............'Honest'..................BUT,

I am now a convert to the 'WAFI' is an ignorant b4stard generalisation now, and will no longer concern myself with their problems of sharing the ocean with power boats!

End Of.
Jas.


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MajorCatastrophe
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Re: Boating Etiquette [Re: OceanFroggie]
      #1856741 - 13/05/2008 09:38

OceanFroggie, the trouble with the Menai Straits is that leaving a 200 metre space means that you will be driving your boat on the hard.

Transiting the Swellies means that some traffic has to maintain speed in certain directions at certain stated of the tide and you can be passing another boat with fifteen feet to spare.

Anyway, I'm a coward and when faced with a meandering yot or a large Mobo in the Swellies, I will stand off until there is room for little me.


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