Morgana
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Reged: 28/08/2003
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Loc: East Coast
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yup.... if we are prepared to sail something that looks like a gloss painted brick.... 
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Bored?.... why not read my blog .... its the developing story of the trials and tribulations of boat ownership!
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KevB
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Reged: 04/07/2001
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Loc: London
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Of course I don't normally keep the covers on but it's all in the interest of keeping the kids dry and warm 
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deisel
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Reged: 30/01/2008
Posts: 94
Loc: rye, sussex
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If Your Boat Had Been Nicked Youd Be Glad Their Were Out There Boarding Boats!!!!
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FullCircle
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Reged: 19/11/2003
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Loc: 30000ft
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No, Chrusty, its your attitude that beggars belief. They do not have the automatic right, which is why they asked. Of course, if you refused then they 'may' go and get the authority/warrant, but they would need to justify their actions very clearly.
Thi is not Plod knocking as you call it, just a sensible use of the checks and balances in the UK law. They need to have the correct authority if they wish to force the issue. An individual choice to comply or not with what may or may not be a reasonable request.
(My Brother In law is Plod)
It is not petty sensitivities, and our rights are being eroded continually in the face of defeating the enemy, allegedly. You may well support the 42 day detention, but I certainly don't.
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cardinal_mark
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Reged: 08/10/2004
Posts: 489
Loc: UK
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I agree. Once we'd laughed off the bit about the letter we did actually appreciate the benefits of having a police presence. If anyone's kids, or worse still, their boat  has been abducted then having a police presence actually on the water can be no bad thing.
We actually ended up signing on for some kind of rekindled 'harbour watch' type thing - so we are now official undercover agents.... PWC users watch your step!!
Mark
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Tarian
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Reged: 09/01/2005
Posts: 39
Loc: Sussex
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It certainly seems a bit over zealous of the police. It doesn't sound as if they had any real reason to stop you or come on board. If Chichester is now seen as an area at risk from terrorism, perhaps we should be told?
Why on earth do they think that written permission is required to take someone else's child on board a boat? Surely this is absolute nonsense? Unless the police are properly briefed, they might find themselves very busy when we take the kids out this Friday...come rain or shine.
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DavenHelen
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Reged: 06/09/2005
Posts: 624
Loc: UK, Lancashire
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...........They have every right...
Or maybe they don't.
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"There are 10 types of people in the world - those who understand binary, and those who don't".
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Chrusty1
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Reged: 27/02/2008
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Hi Mark,
Sorry I let fly at you a bit, but it's just all these perishing know it alls on these forums that get on my tits. As someone has just intimated that the Police don't have a right to board a vessel without a warrant, they had best think again! They only have to have reasonable suspicion, and as far as I am concerned they can board as many, and whoever's boats, including mine, as often as they wish.
As Diesel said, if some-one had their boat stolen or broken into and robbed, they would probably view things in a different light.
Anyway, apologies, just feeling a bit more grumpy than usual today!
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shmoo
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Reged: 23/05/2005
Posts: 1161
Loc: Suffolk UK
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They have every right, [to ask questions and search]
I am afraid they don't, and since these officers asked politely I am sure they knew that. Well, I suppose they have every right to ask but in many cases we have every right to decline to answer.
Broadly their powers to stop and search stem from Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and lately Terrorism Act 2000 and the Anti-Terrorism Crime and Security Act 2001. I think we can rule out the last two, and since they asked nicely they seemed to have ruled out PACE themselves, which means they probably had no grounds at all.
I am not for a moment suggesting not co-operating with or helping the police on a routine basis but that should be recognized as voluntary a act by a free public.
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Perhaps there is a picture of your boat there already.
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lescargot
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Reged: 16/05/2001
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Loc: Isle of Wight
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...They only have to have reasonable suspicion...
So they can't just jump on your boat for no reason and it is also reasonable for you to ask them why.
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...and as far as I am concerned they can board as many, and whoever's boats, including mine, as often as they wish...
Forunately you can only give permission for them to board your boat, not mine. So if they want to come on my boat they will still have to ask me and tell me why they want to, before I give them permission.
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