jaws
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Lets go a stage further and make it compulsory to give finger prints and a DNA sample before dole/sick pay / passport/ driving license and pension can be collected.
..and of course that data will never fall into the wrong hands as we can trust the government to keep it safe on CD.
Why people are so trusting of the government beggars belief. Anything held on a computer connected to a network can be got at with enough knowledge. It's already been shown that the data held on biometric Passports etc can be changed with off the shelf kit.
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NDG
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Cant understand why some people get so worked up about this kind of thing. As long as its reasonable and polite and there's no demand for "papers" , and its doesnt happen all the time, then they're all right by me.
By the way, if it was the CG Helicopter wanting to practice boarding, rather than a police RIB, I bet no one would be indignantly saying "they have no right" etc etc,. Life's all a bit of give and take, and if it helps to cut down on boat crime and dangerous speeding in MoBos in confined waters then its a good thing.
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jaws
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The point is it does happen all the time. They don't stop cars going through London and they don't randomly come to your home and do a spot check. There has to be some justification in my mind.
I value my freedom and that includes not being stopped at the drop of a hat.
There is a also reason why people have signs saying deck shoes only on their boat and this doesn't cover black steel toe capped jack boots.
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NDG
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Does it happen all the time...? Hasn't ever happened to me in 8 years or so, although customs did come aboard once. Maybe I am the exception rather than the rule.
If it happened frequently then I agree that would be excessive, but if I am even half way to being a typical example then what is the problem? If your boat or your outboard/tender/liferaft was nicked I bet you would want them around.
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Shorn100
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What's the point of asking for a letter from the parents. Surely, any self respecting paedophile (self-respecting is an oxymoron in this case!) would simply have written their own - how would the police know if it's real or fake.
It doesn't seem a very intensive check - I guess that if they were concerned they wold have made further enquiries such asking for a telephone number to phone the parents.
Not good policing on that point I would suggest. One wonders if they were being serious!
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Iota
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Reged: 03/10/2002
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Loc: Devon
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Never happended to us either in the last 22 years but nice to know they are out there. I don't see what the fuss is about, seems a tad silly to judge everything by civil liberties. The officers in question might have had a rough description of a stolen boat or anything but so what it all seemed pretty amicable.
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capnsensible
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Reged: 15/03/2007
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Loc: Atlantic
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Having been boarded by Brits, French, Spanish and Moroccans, I can reveal that the ones without guns but taking the same risks generally give me cause for admiration rather than denigration.
Rule Brittania!
Oh, before anyone starts, this not NF propaganda, just a sailors observation. 
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Sailfree
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Reged: 18/01/2003
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Loc: Solent
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Just to clarify. With my wife I have taken my grandson skiing most years. He has a different surname and we have been asked before do we have a letter of authority from his parents. Not in a difficult way just trying to ensure the child was OK etc. For this reason I always get a letter from my daughter.
This year as he was 16 I almost did not bother. I also went alone with him this year - great bonding and having some adult conversations etc - think it may be the last year we go together as next year he may want to go with friends etc.
Again I was asked at customs the relationship and did I have authority. What surprised me a little was that they then asked him independantly to confirm our relationship. I was surprised as they had his passport showing that he was 16 but as another pointed out I could have forged any letter of authority.
Overall I am happy to be questioned and happy that the authorities attitude is the protection of children but I recommend others get that letter if only so that you have the authority to authorise any medical treatment in the event of illness or injury.
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QuestGirl
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I don't think I would have had a problem with them boarding but I definitely would have asked why first, and then decided. I wouldn't have just said ok. Same with customs or anyone else 'official' wanting to board - if they have a reason, even if it's just 'practising boarding', they have to give it and the very fact that they asked permission tells you that you could have refused. You could also have reserved the right to refuse to answer questions and to ask them to leave at any point - I would have made that clear and got their agreement before anyone came on board.
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Tranona
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The questioning at borders and by airlines is, I suggest a very different issue from getting a letter of permission to drift around Chichester harbour on a warm summers afternoon. Our granddaughter will soon be of an age when we will be taking her abroad without her parents and will certainly get a letter from our daughter for the reasons mentioned such as getting medical treatment as well as showing we are not kidnapping her. But taking her out on the boat in Poole harbour - why?
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