ferroboat
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Moonshine is a ketch and the top of her mainmast is crowded with gear. Can I wear my Yacht club burgee from the top of her mizzenmast as a second choice?
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Searush
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You can put it where you like, but my understanding is that it SHOULD be at the mainmast head. Failing that, at the starboard spreader if you are not flying a courtesy flag. Problem comes if you want to fly a courtesy flag then that should be at the starboard spreader & the burgee gets demoted.
In general, this is not a problem, but if you have an Admiralty warrant for a special ensign, then the club burgee has to be in the senior position; which is at the masthead. Or so I have been told! I put mine on a garden cane to get it clear of the windex, lights & aerial. Searush is a ketch too.
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Teredo
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Quite why skippers lose sleep over these matters completely escapes me.
Bullshice and bollox come to mind.
Who the Hell cares?
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Searush
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Quite why skippers lose sleep over these matters completely escapes me.
Bullshice and bollox come to mind.
Who the Hell cares?
No-one, really. And no-one is stressing here, so why should you be so upset by it? Or do you also see odd socks as "a good thing"?
Etiquette is exactly what it says, being polite, trying to do things in the accepted way. Not essential, just good manners. Or do you also disapprove of saying "please" & "thank you"?
Perhaps you just can't find anything more important to whinge about? Not trying to score points, just wondering quite what brought about that little outburst. Do try to be a little more tolerant of others please.
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capnsensible
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etiquette . n. the code of polite behaviour in a society
polite .adj respectful and considerate towards others; courteous
Whilst not actually loosing sleep, it would appear there are still some around who understand the above. As are some who don't.
Hope this helps. 
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curve
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I am all for tradition. I still can't understand those skippers who do not run their ensign down at sunset. 
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paulburton44
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Can I fly 2 clubs Burgees ????
My sailing clubs and my class association ??
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chrisb200
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Loc: Essex
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You can fly what you like but it will still upset some people 
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curve
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Shouldn't the class burgee be flown above the club burgeee?
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VicS
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The RYA booklet C4 on Flag Etiquette and Visual Signals is an interesting useful and inexpensive guide to flag etiquette and a handy source of reference to flag signals. See here
There is no suggestion in that booklet that the mizzen mast of a ketch or yawl should or could be used as the alternative position for the burgee although it is one of the alternatives for the Ensign. As Searush says the accepted alternative for the burgee is the starboard cross-tree but that brings it into conflict with a courtesy ensign. Reading the booklet it seems to infer that a courtesy ensign would be hoisted below it but I know others will not agree.
Logically though it would seem that the mizzen mast would be an alternative to the main mast head, being inferior to the flag staff in the stern but superior to the starboard cross tree. thus preserving the order of superiority of the flags. Namely Ensign, burgee then courtesy Ensign.
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