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Re: Rib delivery. Urgent - trailers in lane 3 in France? [Re: dpb]
      #1864399 - 19/05/2008 15:32

I fully agree that it doesn't put me above the law. Never said it did. But I and many others might break the law on many occasions by driving above the speed limit so I'd rather be attacked please for breaking the law generally than for this specific towbar mod.

But I dont understnad your "Nor does it allow you, it would seem, to appreciate the risks of pulling boat trailers at 90mph!" Surely engineering knowledge does allow one to understand such risks?

And the fact it is non type approved (if such is true) doesn't of itself cause this specific towbar mod to be dangerous to others. Not everything that is safe is type approved, and vice versa

The whole rig arrived home safely in UK this morning with no trouble, no detachment of the towbar or any other such calamity, by the way


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Re: Rib delivery. Urgent - trailers in lane 3 in France? [Re: Mike_S]
      #1864407 - 19/05/2008 15:41

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jfm, thanks for the photos, very useful. Seems to have created somewhat of a 'discussion' though




No prob Mike, let me know if you need more tech info on it. Yep, intriguing discussion. It might not be not type approved (though of course much of it is - only the mods might not be. That sentence is an engineering comment, not a legal one) but imho it is "safe", to at least the same standards that other things are judged to be safe (nothing is 100% safe, obviously, the screen you are looking at right now could hurt your eyes).


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Re: Rib delivery. Urgent - trailers in lane 3 in France? [Re: jfm]
      #1864430 - 19/05/2008 15:54

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the screen you are looking at right now could hurt your eyes


Not when it shows LakeSailor pics. Some of them anyway.

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Re: Rib delivery. Urgent - trailers in lane 3 in France? [Re: jfm]
      #1864494 - 19/05/2008 16:20

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but imho it is "safe", to at least the same standards that other things are judged to be safe


Of course it is. But then, not all us subscribe to the European ideal of marking everything as 'safe'.

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Re: Rib delivery. Urgent - trailers in lane 3 in France? [Re: MajorCatastrophe]
      #1864593 - 19/05/2008 17:33

I'm perfectly sure it's safe - however I wouldn't be happy driving a car all that way totally uninsured - and I'm sure anyone that was involved in a collision (who's ever fault) would be impressed with the fact you were uninsured either!

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Re: Rib delivery. Urgent - trailers in lane 3 in France? [Re: ontheplane]
      #1864621 - 19/05/2008 17:56

"Totally uninsured" isn't at all accurate. If there were an accident not caused by the non-type approved mods to the towbar then the insurer remains liable. That's a complex legal analysis that is too dull to write/debate here, I'd suggest.

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Re: Rib delivery. Urgent - trailers in lane 3 in France? [Re: jfm]
      #1864628 - 19/05/2008 18:01

Possibly, but you'd be subject to the reversed onus of proof, methink.
Not 100% sure to be correct, but if I am, I have two words for such occurrence: good luck.


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