PuffTheMagicDragon
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I am afraid I do not know what 'Part 1' or 'Part 3' signify, or what restrictions / privileges they involve. I was referring to the case of a vessel that has a state registration and is permitted to travel outside of territorial waters and to visit other countries.
In our case, that involves my registering the boat as a 'Maltese Vessel', permitted to travel overseas under the Maltese Civil Ensign. Boats that are not so registered are restricted to home waters only; they may call their boat whatever they like. There is no need for the name to be unique as it is not registered 'by name'; it is just given a number that is preceded by letters, depending on whether it is for 'sport', for 'fishing', 'part-time fishing' and so on
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Saltyjohn
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Reged: 06/09/2004
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Loc: UK
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I agree with you.
Also, the name, lets say 'xyz of Falmouth', doesn't necessarily indicate the port of registry/port of choice/hailing port - it's just the name. Often that ...of Falmouth is added to make the name unique, perhaps there already was a boat called xyz. The port, if it is required to be shown, is always shown separately from, not as an integral part of, the name.
Thus your boat could be called 'xyz of Falmouth' and have a hailing port of Southampton.
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Malaprop
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Reged: 28/11/2004
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one cannot include a Port of Registration into a name Quote:
Yes you can, possibly killing two birds with one stone.
But as already pointed out, the 'of' will be writ small!
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Emjaytoo
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Reged: 23/01/2005
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Loc: Kent
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I don't think there is any need for you to have any connection with that port.
Our boat's port of choice for her Part 1 Registration is Folkestone. She has never been there and probably never will.
Folkestone is a drying harbour with a swing bridge that probably doesn't even work - not very suitable for a fixed mast yacht with a fin keel!
So why Folkestone? Because we live there. We could have chosen any one of the designated ports. The boat however resides in The Netherlands.
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wotayottie
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No - in some cases you dont have to display the port of registry. A club can apply and get exemption.
Some years ago, I suddenly got a letter from the registrar relating to my club and confirming the extension of the exemption I didnt know we had. Since registration was hardly a hot topic round our way, I never bothered to find out precisely what it meant ie did Truant of Southampton drop the Southampton or the Langstone bit underneath, if you see what I mean..
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anteak
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Reged: 28/01/2004
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Loc: West Sussex
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It is quite simple. If you are STILL Part 1 Registered you either keep the name as shown OR apply for a change (about £35.00). You can download the form online or phone the Registry for one. The Registry will do a search and tell you if your new name has been accepted i.e there are no other vessels with the same name.
If you have no papers to confirm you are Part 1 Regisered have a look around and you should have an Official Number carved into a beam or bulkhead. (O/N 234567) for example.
You could then check with the Registry to see if this number is still extant.
If your Part 1 has expired and you would like to join Part III Registry you can do whatever you want in terms of changing name. You can change it 10 times a week if you wish, providing you fill in the appropriate forms and pay the fee.
As far as I am aware 'Truant of Brighton' merely signifies that, at the time of her first registration, there was already a 'Truant' on the Registry. He could have called her 'Truant of Huddersfield' if he wished. Your Port of Choice has nothing to do with the name so you coud have, on your transom. 'Truant of Brighton' and 'Portsmouth' at the same time for example.
The consensus of opinion in the past seems to have been: Already Part 1 Registered, pay the extra and keep it up. Part 1 expired, forget it and re-register on Part III
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Marsupial
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Reged: 05/07/2004
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Loc: South and East UK
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The "rules" are easy, for part 1 you need a unique name the port of registry has be displayed on the stern, the port does not have to be part of the name - in fact if it is you would need to mention it twice.
E.g.
Skylark of Brighton
Brighton
SSR identification needs a boat name and the SSR number (in a specific font design and minimum size)
I have seen Dutch French and Belgian customs show "interest" in this stuff.
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Billjratt
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Reged: 09/09/2004
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Loc: Prestwick
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The "home port" on the registration document (pt 1) can be changed - in my case from Ardrossan to Troon, but the boat is not called Sahona of Troon or Tsunami of pysch or anything of anywhere. These are to differentiate commonly used names like freedom and 'solmine on the register. I have no idea where my boat was originally registered - it doesn't show. It is, I think, a requirement to have the registered home port displayed on the transom, but I don't think it needs to be as "engraved" as the boats name.
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Truant_Now
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Reged: 22/04/2007
Posts: 55
Loc: Greenhithe, Kent
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Wow, thanx for all the brilliant replies..
Right, as far as I am aware, she is NOT Part 1 registered, only Part 3 which I personally changed when I became the new owner, so I have an SSR number which is designated to me. This is under "Truant" and is visible on the stern.
A few of you think I have changed the boats name from when I bought her but I havent, its still the same name, Ive just got new stickers to go with the new paint job.
But Many thanx again for all the replies.
It seems to me (If I got all the info correct!  ) that I am not Part 1 registered, so I dont need to have the Port of choice on the stern. However the "of Brighton" in the name isnt a port of choice anyway, its just part of the name, so If I wanted to, I could drop it, (if there is no other "Truant" on the Medway (or indeed East coast) or I can change it to "of Gillingham" if need be.
Thanx again everyone.. 
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Bilgediver
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Reged: 06/06/2001
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Loc: Scotland
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In theory, a Part 1 registered boat should show the port of registry..... so I guess theoretically, it would be 'Truant of Brighton of Cardiff'!!!!!!!! However, I think this is unlikely, and the registry would disallow it in reality....
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Wrong.........Right depending how you read 
"Truant of Brighton" is the vessels name and written in one line as such
Port of registry is CArdiff and appears below the name.
It is not normal to just adopt the OF and place it between the name and port of registry .
This is with respect of Pt1 which in this case does not apply.
The port of registry does not have to be the port where you normally tie up... Just look at Cunard,,,, and then some old freighters ie Reardon Smith Line of CArdiff all registered in Bideford which will hardly take a fishing boat and some scottish freighters registered in Burntisland. AlwaYs wondered where that was??
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Portsmouth
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