Keith451
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Reged: 28/05/2008
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Greetings all from a newcomer. Looking for some very rough ballpark figures for restoring a 35ft wooden boat. It was last in the water about 7 years ago, seems to be pretty solid but needs some planks replacing, new decks and no doubt quite a bit more!
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Sixpence
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Reged: 24/08/2005
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Loc: Fosdyke Marina
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I may be about to be corrected, but I doubt it.
A very ballpark figure is almost impossible to come up with because there are so many variables. You need to take into account things like availability and choice of materials, your own abilities, how many other things are going to need replacing. Very deep pockets or a large source of raw material and plenty of skills already up your sleeve would be a good starter, but my advice would be to not even start thinking about the cost element. You could get away with doing it on a very tight budget but the chances are it's going to take more than you even want to think about. Boat renovation isn't something you want to think about budgeting for unless you have loads of spare cash
But don't let me put you off, a 35 footer would do me nicely at the moment, with, or without repair work being needed.
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Cuchilo
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Reged: 19/04/2003
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Loc: London
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A bit more info on the boat and pictures if you have them would be good .
A ball park figure for you would be all your money and all your time with some extra help from friends  But its great fun !
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Seagreen
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Reged: 30/07/2005
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Don't want to put you off, but I bought a 35' boat which is taking 2 years for a middling refit, and which took the previous owner, retired, 10 years to rebuild.
So how do you do it and keep the costs down? Some tips:
Costs: Get the boat to fit in your back garden, or move to live next to the boat. This cuts out storage costs, time and money on travelling to and fro. You may find cranage and transport on and off site for the boat pricey, but being at home has massive advantages.
Cover: Get the boat under one. Doesn't have to be fancy but you need to keep the rain off, and enable you to work at any time. Useful if you also have power on site, so being near your own back door is the best option.
Time: Make some. Get some sort of time schedule and try to stick to it. If you have to keep Swmbo (She Who Must Be Obeyed) happy, negotiate time on houshold DIY and holidays. Try to put aside at least 15 hours a week.
Knowledge and skill: These can be aquired. Boat construction is not rocket science (apologies to any boatbuilder reading) but you do have to know what you are doing and there's plenty of email advice going.
Tools: Mostly a good and saw, plane and domestic tools will be fine. If planking, you'll need quite a few G cramps and perhaps a good small bandsaw, planer/thicknesser, router, etc. These can all be bought and sold once the build has finished.
Materials: You'll need lots, of good quality stuff.
Process: Sit down with a big loose leaf book and start writing out what processes need doing, what tools and materials, etc and start putting some rough costs together, add it all up and multiply by two. Think of how long it will take and multiply by 3.
It's very easy to let the schedule slip. Do not let this happen. Break the entire thing into small task-oriented chunks. Finally, get Victorious on this forum to advise you. He did it the hard way. See his Youtube movie here for a bit of inspiration.
Good luck
And yes, put up some pics and some info. Advice can become more specific.
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Edited by Seagreen (28/05/2008 21:33)
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Tranona
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To be honest, if you have to ask the question, you should not even be considering doing it!
Better to look for a boat where somebody else has found out the hard way what it costs.
Seagreen has some good advice on ways of reducing the cost if you really want to have a go.
One way of checking out is to compare the asking price for this boat with the asking price of a similar boat in good condition to see what the difference is. Simple things like engine and new sails will be the thick end of £10k. Good planking timber if new is telephone numbers etc etc. And don't forget to factor in storage, insurance, travel costs etc for the n years it will take.
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monkey_trousers
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Reged: 02/01/2008
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I reckon its very much a case of if you have to ask, you're maybe best not even going there!
I just bought a 43' boat that has had a good amount of restoration work done on it but is far from complete. The previous spent the best part of £40k on it, but there is virtually nothing to show visually for it as nearly all that went on whats below the waterline.
I reckon we'll spend the same again over the next few years doing the rest
Just got a quote today for new wooden masts, spars and standing rigging etc, that was £15k without the sails!
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Seagreen
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Reged: 30/07/2005
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Loc: ked myself in the locker again...
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Learn how to make the spars yourself. Plenty of good info available. Yes, I know I sound like the old mother in "Goodness Gracious me!" - "make it yourself for a pound!". But seriously, spars can be a home project.
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Cuchilo
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Reged: 19/04/2003
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Loc: London
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Thats got to be the best boat building video ever ! I'm off to view it another 300 times  You can never get bored of this one !
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Edited by Cuchilo (28/05/2008 23:49)
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alan006
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Reged: 07/06/2007
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Loc: Kent
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The way I look at it is are you planning to do most of the work or are you paying for help?
If you are paying for help, it is much much cheaper to buy one in useable condition.
If you are not costing your time then thats a whole different matter. The other factor to think about is the standard of rebuild you will be happy with. I've seen people buy boats and rip out parts that still had plenty of life left! Some people are perfectionists and others are much more relaxed.
Decide what the boat would be worth when completed and deduct what the buying price is. If your estimate for materials is less than 50% of this figure then you have a sporting chance ( if you do it yourself). Still even if the figures don't add up I don't blame you if you have a go .....we have all done it.....best of luck.
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Clifford_Pope
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Reged: 28/10/2005
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Loc: Pembrokeshire
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Think of a number. Triple it. Add £5,000. Do it anyway.
If you are paying someone else to do it then obviously it won't be so cheap.
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