boatone
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Nav notice just received from EA:
Navigation Authority notice 4 June 2008
Important information to masters of vessels
STRONG STREAM
WARNING
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Due to the very heavy rainfall in the Thames Valley on Tuesday 3 June, we are experiencing strong streams on the River Thames. All locks are now showing Red Strong Stream warning boards and many weirs are fully open.
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Our advice to masters of all types of vessels is not to navigate and for those already out on the river to find a secure mooring as soon as possible.
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We expect these conditions to remain for the remainder of the week and possibly into the weekend as the tributaries continue to impact on river levels.
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The forecast for the next few days and into next week is for showers only. If the forecast holds, it is likely yellow warning boards will be displayed by early next week.
For up to date information on river conditions for the Thames please call our Floodline on 0845 988 1188 and select option 1, followed by quick dial number 011131.
E. McKeever
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apollo
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Thats another weekend stuffed, this is getting a little monotonous...
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Doolittle
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Thanks. I haven't got that one yet.
Mrs Doolittle has just yelled at a sports cruiser called Requiem. He seemed intent on making normal speed over ground upriver and he claimed he couldn't go much slower! He shrugged a few times and after a bit more yelling he did slow but then yelled he wasn't getting anywhere to which she responded that he should moor up then!
Top lass. 
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flashheart
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Thats another weekend stuffed, this is getting a little monotonous...
Hmmm I agree. Back to cleaning, buffing and generally hanging around the marina.
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Chris_d
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This service is getting better, however its nearly 24hrs too late, I went down and attached extra ropes to my boat and rigged it for a flood last night, today when we receive the email I can't get to it 
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ARCMarineEveryman
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"Mrs Doolittle has just yelled at a sports cruiser called Requiem. He seemed intent on making normal speed over ground upriver and he claimed he couldn't go much slower! He shrugged a few times and after a bit more yelling he did slow but then yelled he wasn't getting anywhere to which she responded that he should moor up then!"
Is this a joke?
Surely you're going to cause more wash by going upstream when it's flowing a bit. There's still a right of navigation!
(perhaps it is a joke & I've misunderstood...)
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IanC
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Chris_d
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Not a joke surely, if its flowing at 4knts, you will need to be doing 8knts through the water to make 4knts over the ground, at that speed your wash will be enourmous especialy in a sports cruiser. So yes if you have any conscious you will go slowly and endure it or stay put.
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Doolittle
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Surely you're going to cause more wash by going upstream when it's flowing a bit. There's still a right of navigation!
(perhaps it is a joke & I've misunderstood...)
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IanC
No it's not a joke Ian. Just as Chris says, it's inevitable you will create more wash going upstream in a strong stream. It doesn't matter how fast you go (within reason) it's the wash you need to watch and if a sports cruiser causes 2 foot wash without making any headway, well they shouldn't be navigating the river under these circumstances.
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byron
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Bear in mind when going upstream against a strong flow, the wash gets a deal of ironing out by the flow. I see it here all the time. The Wash which looks really bad just behind the vessel has virtually disappeared by the time it reaches the bank.
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No_Regrets
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I have mixed feelings here:
My old sport cruiser used to make more wash than a ferry, and yet, as was mentioned, I had a right of way.
Clearly, this was right, yet wrong.
SO I SOLD THE SODDING THING AND BOUGHT A PROPER RIVER CRUISER 
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The scourge of Windsor, and notorious founder member of the 'Upper Thames Birchwood Massive' now outlawed by the EA and River pressure groups, currently planning a nice comfy retirement in the aft cabin of a Broom.
Now can anybody recommend any non-marking slippers?
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Doolittle
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Bear in mind when going upstream against a strong flow, the wash gets a deal of ironing out by the flow. I see it here all the time. The Wash which looks really bad just behind the vessel has virtually disappeared by the time it reaches the bank.
Troo, but it was 2 foot when it washed our 15' boats stern up onto the bank. But good point.
As a matter of interest, I'm still doing the school run by boat and I have a dilema, do I stick to mid stream and do 6knt (1knt sog) and cause more wash or do I hug the port bank (inside of the bend) and do 3knt (1knt sog) - and give a big grin to all my neigbours as I pass within a gnats todger of their front windows!! 
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apollo
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it's the wash you need to watch
ahem...no the EA rule is 8km/h over the ground, so if the current is 4knots, 8knots upstream is legal... so the sportsboat was quite within their right.
Dumb rule - yep
Loads of wash - yep
Who made up ths stoopid rule......
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ARCMarineEveryman
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I do sympathise, but it is a river, and can't accept that I shouldn't navigate upstream because I'm causing a large wash because the streams running fast; surely that's inevitable. Otherwise we're just turning the river into a canal.
IanC
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Cuchilo
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she responded that he should moor up then!
I would of thanked her for the offer and rafted up next to you , got the barbie out and said be a love , nip down to the shop and get some burgers and beers
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JECuk
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And going downstream by the same rule would mean you would need to be in reverse to hit the 8km/h SOG limit..... 
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Doolittle
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She'd have yer balls on the barbie and shove the Stella where the sun doesn't shine
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JECuk
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Doolittle, going to be going slowly past your place then as I leave on Saturday.....
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Cuchilo
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JECuk
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According to the webcam at Maidenhead river looks considerably lower this morning. Also Marlow reach was well down this morning at home.
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Centreboarder
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That sounds a bit more encouraging. The river was flowing very fast at Twickenham yesterday evening. Well after high tide the river was still about 3 feet above the normal maintained level.
Lets hope most of the floodwater manages to get downstream before the weekend. Last weekend it was remarkable how the flow moderated between Friday evening and Sunday morning.
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Doolittle
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Yes, has dropped 2-3" here over this morning but still flowing at 5+knots.
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Andrew_Fanner
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>>>
Last weekend it was remarkable how the flow moderated between Friday evening and Sunday morning
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Tribute to the skill and experience of the lock keepers wouldn't you say?
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apollo
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Just rung the EA floodline, no update since YESTERDAY at 14:00??
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boatone
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So, presumably the status quo is still all locks displaying Reds?
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apollo
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I assume so....?
But Maidenhead level went down and up today, amazed that no fluctuation at all on the whole river?
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nickcred
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Hi All
Anyone close to datchet/windsor give me an idea if the level is dropping or should i be getting on the M4 to go up and check the boat tonight
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Brayman
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Boards inicate the flow, not the levels.
We can can have slightly high levels but one hell of a flow, especially coming up to a weekend.
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nickcred
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Just called the EA info line and last update from them was Wednesday 4th June, chocolate and teapot springs to mind. Or am I being unfair.
It is very frustrating that there is no information on the height of the river when you are 45 miles from your boat.
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JECuk
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River at Marlow and Maidenhead still high and fast flowing.
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boatone
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No, I dpn't think you are being unfair at all.
The EA really do need to get this problem resolved as a matter of urgency.
River conditions are no different to road conditions when it comes down to it. The travelling public expects to be kept reliably informed in a timely manner.
I know angelaq has indicated that the topic is being addressed but this is one issue that should be sorted PDQ. Last week, I rang the Reading info number at 1015 one morning and it just rang and rang.
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nickcred
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LOL - the recording for Windsor to Bell Weir says there are no flood warnings or flood watches in force despite my and 5 other boats at the mooring between Romney and Datchet currently sitting 8 inches above the bank.
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byron
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LOL - the recording for Windsor to Bell Weir says there are no flood warnings or flood watches in force despite my and 5 other boats at the mooring between Romney and Datchet currently sitting 8 inches above the bank.
Nick, what's the matter with you, think before you write. The river level hasn't risen, your bank has dropped.
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boatone
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LOL - the recording for Windsor to Bell Weir says there are no flood warnings or flood watches in force despite my and 5 other boats at the mooring between Romney and Datchet currently sitting 8 inches above the bank.
Aha.....but the EA definition of flood is not the same as yours and mine. They dont regard the fact that your boat is above the bank as a flooding issue - the river is simply above its normal level.
However, we ring that number as boaters and therefore expect to hear messages that relate to our concerns.
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