tobble
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does anyone know anything about this designer? Google isn't very forthcoming!
Thanks in advance
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Sequoiah1
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I think you may be reffering to a boatbuilder from Sneek in Holland.
Been looking at a 36' cutter? One advert for her says she was originally a Reg Freeman design if thats what you are thinking of.
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tobble
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hello
sorry I dashed that one off in a hurry before I left work last night. yes, I was talking about the designer. and yes, I have had an eye onthe cutter advertised in various places! Rumbled! Which ad mentions Reg Freeman?
I was maninly interested in any opinions on this guys designs and this on in particular, plus a general interest in the history of him, his boats and this one in particular! I'm after something I can eventually take anywhere in confidence, on my own, and live aboard for the forseeable future, and for a reasonable (reasonably small!) outlay. I know this is a massive topic but for now would appreciate restricting discussion to this boat!:p
Any info/advice gratefully recieved!
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Edited by tobble (05/06/2008 11:05)
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tobble
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Just been dong a bit of research- found the ad mentioning R. F. Freeman, but can't find any info on him eitehr really - it seems he designed the Seadog 35 footer late 60's plastic thing. I was wondeing how accurate the Freeman comment was because the 36' cutter is listed everywhere as built 1939, but I can't find a birthday for Freeman to see if it's feasable. Given the boat looks so Dutch I'd be inclined to say it's Jan Kuipers...
by the way if everyone else is wondering what we're on about: 36' classic cutter
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I am sure there are more worthy people to comment on Reg Freeman but I beleive he died around 1996, designed some fantastic small cruising yachts including his own which is on Wooden Ships website. I would buy that if I had the money but its beyond mere mortals pockets. There is probably a seadog owners association who may be able to help with the
Reg Freeman link. As for the advert for the Jan Kuipers boat being designed by Reg its here
http://www.easternyachts.com/clochedor/
In all honesty its a very odd looking yacht and its been up for sale for a while, hence probably the price. If you dont mind the looks and dont mind paying extra berthing charges for a bowsprit, a difficult boat to re-sell then it would look like a good buy if its in very good condition.
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Sequoiah1
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See the boat ads on Boats and Outboards and the designer has changed again. Looking at the pictures on eastern yachts website i wouldnt have said its in great condition, looks a bit tired to me
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tobble
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ah ha, maybe the vendor is reading this - he's clarified it's a Freeman design BUILT by Jan Kuipers...
You're right about the looks but I think it looks alright and I place functionality marginally above looks. And I quite like something disticntive even if it doesn't adhere to common perceptions of beauty! However, this means I'd need to find another wierdo like me when the time came to sell as you rightly point out.
Paying another gawd knows how much to berth a 6 foot log isn't appealing, but I was under the impression that something like this one could be retracted - additional faf I know, but surely worth a couple of hundred quid per year?!
another question - I'm not intimate with wodden boats, and am aware they take more maintenace than a plastic jobbie, (although I was reflecting the other day I think I'd rather do two hours of varnishing than an five minutes messing around with polyester resin, horrible stuff). A friend who sails but not wooden boats suggested they need re-cauliking every couple of years - is that accurate as I was under the impression caulking lasts a fair bit longer than that?
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Sequoiah1
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All things subjective as far as looks and practicalities are concerned, my thoughts were just general. Plenty of people dont like boats like our hillyard and though not ideal suits us.
Each to their own.
Maintenance wise its hard to say. We have been out the water for two months fettling and re painting etc, this will be our third season with a wooden boat and there is nothing wrong with the caulking either above or below the waterline. I reckon we could allow for 20 days solid work for the two of us to deal with all the maintenance issues on the boat varnishing putting bits right etc. Caulking of the hull will only become apparent if its falling out of the seams or beginning to leak.
If you a buy a wooden boat that has already had this work recently done then its not something you need to consider now. Last time I recaulked a boat it hadnt been done in twenty years but it deperatley needing doing then.
Decks on this boat could be a bigger issue and if laid planks not on a substrate might be a bigger issue and for that I cant comment. If you are living aboard then leaking decks of any description would be a problem least of all the damage freshwater ingress can do to a wooden boat and its equipment. If you are serious about buying, get the best wooden boat surveyor in the area and be sure they are thorough and know what you are going to use the boat for.
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