Pendlecats
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The space advantages are really coming out with the experience of you lot.
"Tranona" Has a very good point in chartering, I never considered UK which could be more convenient in time and lower cost, the general impression I get is that Bav’s and your SO’s are amongst the most popular of them, Must admit that the possibility of some time in the future venturing much further is helped when these types have done it.
We looked into the Legend as I quite like the main build and SWMBO liked the space, now I must admit I would not get a boat that is unproven so I think our charter is likely to be a SO – We may have a chance of crewing on a Bav of a friend of a friend.
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Pendlecats
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the only boating people I know personally have heavy boats
Maybe they know something you don't (yet)   
SWMBO said my Dad'll turn in his grave, I said buying a plastic boat would do that - with what were planning he'll be spinning.
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Pendlecats
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Considered a cat, looked at a Prout, was frightend off mainly with the marina costs, but also they look so big (I have a hard enough job with just one Bow and Stern let alone two).
SWMBO hasn't been on one yet thank god or this decision would take too long.
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KellysEye
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If you are sailing for two to three days then you are within a fairly accurate weather forecast. As such, IMO, a lightweight boat is fine.
We've sailed lots of different Beneteaus (First and Oceanis), Jenneaus and Gibseas and, frankly, didn't like them. All flat bottom fin keel boats slam going upwind, they all broach and they are all skittish.
Some get into deep trouble. For example some good friends of ours were delivering a Jeanneau 42 from the BVIs to Antigua in a near gale and it was slamming big time. It sank NW of Antigua in short order and the sinking was put down to hull failure or a water tank in the bows breaking free and puncturing the hull..
However most owners of such boats (with obvious exceptions on this forum) don't go out in such conditions, so going light shouldn't be a problem.
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Tranona
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I think it would be more helpful to me and the OP if you could give us the benefit of your experiences with your preferred kind of boat rather than making dismissive statements about other types.
This thread unlike many on this topic has been positive and helpful in the advice given to the OP who wanted to know about experiences with modern boats. And if you read them all you will find many use them successfully in the kind of conditions you describe. Something in the same vein from a different perspective would indeed be useful.
Look forward to hearing from you
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Morgana
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I've got a 40' Oceanis.....
i've sailed it in upto 40kts of wind, and large seas, and it handles them without any real concern at all...
Yes, we've had a bit of slamming when motoring upwind into large seas, but even then, a good helm can reduce the slamming significantly.
Never once have I worried about hull strength or integrity.
I would happily (and indeed intend to) cross oceans in her.
We too can echo the comments above... in perhaps 20kts of wind, we are trucking along, and can often overtake many heavier boats who are busy pushing the waves out of the way rather than going over them!...
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Guapa
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in perhaps 20kts of wind, we are trucking along, and can often overtake many heavier boats who are busy pushing the waves out of the way rather than going over them!...
Sounds like a challenge to me 
Care to put your money where your mouth is? How about 50p?
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Morgana
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50p...... what are you... made of money?.......
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Guapa
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Me? Last of the true 'big spenders'
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KellysEye
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>I think it would be more helpful to me and the OP if you could give us the benefit of your experiences with your preferred kind of boat rather than making dismissive statements about other types.
Actually I'm a fan of all boats provided they are used for purpose - I certainly didn't mean to dismiss boats, even Hunters have their place.
For example it is possible to day sail from England to Turkey with just a few overnights. A lightweight boat can do that easily with no problems. Go the straight over Biscay route and you risk facing severe weather. So I'd choose a different boat for that type of sailing.
Specifically, if I was doing daysails and weekends (even long total distances as mentioned) I'd choose a lightweight boat (although I don't particularly enjoy sailing them), they are cheaper.
For offshore long distances I'd choose either a long fin and full skeg, encapsulated keel and straight spreaders or a long keel with cutaway forefoot.
In terms of going the lightweight route for short passages and heavier built/more seaworhty for long passages that's exactly what we did over the years. We now own a long keeler which we are very happy with.
Certainly the lightweights are faster but I'll give an example of why I wouldn't want one in certain conditions. We were in a force seven for twenty four hours, peaking at eight for an hour. Seas were about fifteen feet, wind from the east, there was a northerly swell of four to five feet and a south easterly swell of two to three feet, going downwind. So the sea and wind conditions were unpleasant but not severe. However the boat wasn't rolling it was corkscrewing violently. In such conditions spade rudders and keel bolts can fail - and do fairly often.
As I said, horses for courses.
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