Alcyone
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We did it. Both passed our day skipper!
Just for interest, or not as the case may be.
When we got to Oban we were surprised to find that we were the only ones on the boat doing the day skipper. The others were doing competent crew, so the 'tutor' explained that Louise and I would act as skipper for the whole week.
The boat was a 38ft Westerly, this is her at Ardfern:

First day, I was asked to plan a passage for 28 miles from Oban South to Crinan, through some serious waters if I got the tides wrong. Luckily I didn't. although with a big boat and a crew and myself knowing next to nothing it was very stressful. I had no idea which island was which, either, so spent an awful lot of time at the chart table and compass. Louise did the second passage to ardfern Marina where we spent the afternoon mooring in all sorts of berths.
That was the one nice day. From then on the weather steadily got worse. Day 2 sailing a square course in a force 5. The tutor then asked me to plan a 20 mile night passage from Easdale North into an unlit bay at 3am. It was blowing a force 6 and raining heavily, so I plotted the whole course into the GPS and, with the exception of a rock that nobody saw on the way into a competely black bay (which we just missed), we did it.
We then sailed North West into the Sound of mull, Louise really stressed, and I pretty upset that the 'tutor' said nothing unless we asked him how to do something, and then more often that not just answered with a question. The other girl, doing her competent crew ended up in tears at one point when he shouted at her for getting a sheet the wrong way aropund the winch. At this point, a force 9 was forecast and the Tobermory lifeboat was towing yachts off the rocks all day. The boat was well heeled over and we regularly beat 8 knots.
I was then asked to pick up a mooring in an extremely crowded Tobermory harbour by sail alone. I was tacking back and fore on 30m legs at one stage, £100K yachts all around, and very very stressed, but I did it.
The following day we sailed back South in a force 8, the bows regularly underwater in the big SW swells, into a tiny mooring called Puilldobraihn, or somesuch.
My thoughts? It was much, much harder than I thought, and every time I seemed to do something right, there was no 'well done' the tasks just got harder. There didn't seem to be any consistency - Louise was not asked to do things nearly as difficult as I, and the three people on the competent crew also felt that he made it much harder for one than the others.
Anyway, despite this, I'm extremely happy that we passed, and gained a lot of confidence in being out in such bad conditions. I'm a little surprised at the course content, the fact that there was no syllabus, and we were not told what was going to happen, nor how we were to be assessed. I certainly did not enjoy it.
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chrishelen
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Well done to you both,the bay should hold no fears for you after this,these courses are a bit hit and miss but you got the result you wanted, see you on the water, Chris.
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caroldevon
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That sounds really tough for day skipper... at least compared to when I did it. And your tutor sounds like a very bad teacher to me. I've met one of those.. not into teaching, but assessing/proving himself in some way.
Well done on getting through it, and i hope it hasn't put you and Louise off!
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Alcyone
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Thanks, both. I've spoken to a few other people who didn't seem to have to do as much as we did. It seems that some people only have to do a single passage.
I did read in the day skipper notes that the tutor will attempt to stress you, and push you outside of your comfort zones, and that certainly happened.
I'm not really qualified to asses his teaching methods, as I have no other RYA course experience to compare with, but I was a professional IT tutor for 15 years, and also a BSAC dive instructor for 10 years, so all I can say is, it would not have been my style of teaching. The other couple on the course said they would not be going for their day skipper course after seeing us do it, and that cannot be good.
But, as Chris says, we got what we wanted, and both feel a lot more confident. OK, the Sound of Mull is not the Bristol Channel, it's a lot more sheltered and the tides are not comparable, but being out in a force 8 and 9 with the boat heeled right over and handling it all was good experience.
Put us off? I run my own business, and it's going to be hard work actually dealing with my customers this week when I want to be on the boat all the time!
Cheers.
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graham
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Well done both.Sounds as if you had to earn it the hard way.Nothing wrong with being pushed a bit but no proffesionall instructor should be shouting at students,I still put the sheet around the winch backwards now and then,so what?
If the instructor cant teach in a friendly manner giving out praise for jobs well done and encouraging the weaker ones then he should look at a career change.
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Alcyone
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To be honest Graham. I'm a bit half and half. I have no problem at all with being pushed, and if the truth be told, I do think maybe I was a bit more caopable than the others, and was maybe pushed a bit harder because of that. I have no problem with that either. I agree though that shouting at people can be counter productive, and in the case where the girl ended up in tears, I can't see that being helpful.
At the end of the day, the conditions were tough as well, and maybe we were all overtired, so I'm happy to take mostly positives from it.
The next step is to get the confidence to do things on our own, when there is no tutor there to get us out of trouble if we make a mistake. So, if weather and work allow, we'll be doing our first trip out of the bay this week at some point.
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LizzyD
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Congratulations to you both. I only did the classroom based Day Skipper and from the way your experiences read, I would have given up or been asked to leave the course if I'd had the kind of tutor you had. The man sounds like a right plank. Whether it's humans or dogs, you reward good behaviour with praise and positive comments. It's good for self confidence, self esteem, and encourages positive behaviour. Being sullen and making girls cry makes your nose bleed!!! It sounds as though YOU should have been paid the fee for going on the course and putting up with him.
Anyway, the outcome is the important thing and after reading your experiences, I would suggest your better prepared than me for what the channel can throw at you. Force 9? I'd be frightened of that in the house!!
Well done mate.
Lizzy D
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Alcyone
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Cheers. The force 9 was nasty. Listening to the lifeboat towing people in all day didn't help matters either, blown ashore, anchors dragged and boom injuries. Don't get me wrong, it was no fastnet gale, the Sound of Mull is well sheltered, but if we had a problem......
Anyway, we're back safe and sound, and the tickets are stamped and, I feel, well earned.
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Sneddon
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Congrats and well done! We would both love do the the DS practical (Mobo) and will get round to it when finances permit! Your instructor sounds like a bit of an ar5e, SWMBO wonders if he has a small willy?  Aren't you tempted to e-mail him and let him know your feelings?
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Alcyone
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No, I don't think I'll complain. I said after the course I'd wait until I got some sleep and then decide. Whilst I do think his teaching methods were, imo, suspect, we did both pass. I learned a hell of a lot too, though it was as much despite him as because of him.
I have, however been in touch with the other couple on the course. The tutor may have put them off taking sailing any further, and I think, probably, therefore that they might make some comment.
It is difficult. When I did my diving instructor exams some years back, there seemed to be a big variation in standard there as well. I passed, yet someone who I thought was a much better instructor than me failed. The odd thing was that we both made the same mistake.
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