mjf
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The recent post on the anti rolling measures got me thinking...
I used to get fed up at anchor with the yawing about stuff which sometimes meant moving throu 120 degrees or more. Sometimes in gusty wind the yaw was erratic and 'snatched' the cable - never actually tripped the anchor but my guess is nearly did on occassion.
Anyway the 'flying anchor' from the stern stopped this palava.
Now, you chaps with big boats have power winches at each quarter and a power windlass. Why not do a running anchor moor job and deploy a pair of anchors forward and pay these out then set an anchor off each quarter. Then heave the lot tight. This would hold the boat very steady and sort of increase the draft if your holding is good. The boat is held to the bottom. Any passing waves and wash from other boats would just slap against the sides and not roll you about as the cable would take the energy ;-)
Hopeless in water with a tidal range but.....
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jfm
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MJF that's a variation on what I do most times i anchor in the Med. I prefer it to flopper stoppers.
Actually it's even easier than you say. I don't think your proposal will work exactly as you describe it becuase you will never overcome the buoyancy of the hull and stop the rolling merely by tying the boat to the seabed very tightly. And anyway the 2 bow anchors are fastened to the boat centreline so even if they are on tight chains there is no turning moment to resist the hull rolling.
But you can use a second anchor much more simply. In the med, boats lie to the wind when anchored, becuase there is no tide/current generally. The swell from passing boats or the weather turns when it enters a bay and comes in from a direction which is different from the wind direction. so the swell can often be broadside to your boat, hence the need for some anti-roll device. I just drop the main anchor as usual, then motor the stern of the boat (or shunt it with tender) until the boaw is pointing into the swell, then I chuck out a 15kg Danforth anchor, and attach it to the upwind stern quarter. The chain/rode for the main and stern anchors are therefore about perpendicular to each other. To retrieve, the stern winches do the work as you say, and the whole thing stores under the bathing platform lockers. I use mostly rode, not chain, for the stern anchor.
This works perfectly. So long as you can keep the boat pointing into the swell you mostly cure the rolling problem.
Of course in a very tight anchorage it can get awkward if everyone swings with the wind and you dont, but you have to deal with that case by case and normally it's no problem
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mjf
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Thanks - it was a bit tongue in cheek.
I agree with your principle - certainly I notice a much nicer motion when holding to two anchors set perpendicular. The point on other boats is also a good one as it seems to confuse many peeps. I am wondering about using anchor bouys this year - but that might cause even more problems?
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kingfisher
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You can obtain the same result by just putting a spring line on your anchor line: "ANCHOR SPRING LINES:
Often, you anchor where the Wind and the Water work at cross-purposes. Some anchorages may have a strong current running through them, or sometimes experience a strong surge or groundswell. Even a smaller current or surge can set your boat to rocking - and you know how uncomfortable a rolling boat can be. A really fast current or big swell can make the harbor untenable.
Fortunately, there's an easy way to alleviate all that by the use of a forward quarter spring line to the anchor rode, a technique called "springing the rode".
To understand how Anchor Spring Lines work, it will be helpful to visualize the conditions that call for it. Suppose you're anchored in a harbor where the wind is blowing from the east. Lying to her anchor, your boat will point east into the wind. Now, suppose there's a surge rolling into the harbor from the north (or a current running South). It could be a ground swell generated by some distant storm, or just a remnant of seas outside the harbor bending around the headland. Whatever the source, waves from the north will strike your boat on the port beam and she'll rock-n-roll.
But if the vessel were turned 90 Degrees to port, pointed into the waves rather than into the wind, the effect would be a much reduced, fore-and-aft motion, i.e., pitching instead of rolling. By comparison, pitching in these circumstances is hardly noticeable unless it becomes really extreme. So, how best to point the boat into the surge is the key to comfort in this harbor.
Most sailors will immediately think of setting a second anchor from the stern. In this scenario of an east wind and northerly wave action, the stern anchor would be set well out to the southeast. Then, by hauling in on the rode aft the boat can be made to face north. There's nothing really wrong with this solution, except that (a) It is more work than necessary, carrying out and later retrieving the second hook, and (b) The boat can no longer swing with other boats nearby that are laying to only one anchor. This may create spacing problems if the wind shifts. (c) You are constrained by two anchors, which would delay your departure in the event circumstances necessitate a rapid escape.
A much easier, more efficient solution can be accomplished using the bow anchor that is already set and a spring line. Simply tie a long dock line to the bow anchor's rode or chain at the bow of your boat. A roving hitch works well for this. Lead the line aft alongside the hull to (in this case) the starboard cockpit sheet winch. On a center cockpit boat it would be best to pass the line through a stern quarter turning block before leading it to the winch. Check that the line is running outboard of the bow pulpit, stanchions, and shrouds.
Next, pay out the anchor rode, about 1/3 to 1/2 of a boat length. Finally, take up on the spring line until there's roughly equal pull on the rode and the spring. The boat will swing broadside to the wind and will face the swell. It's as simple as one-two-three!
Our example illustrates a perpendicular wave (or current) to wind angle. But you can adjust the vessel's heading to suit other conditions: If the waves are forward of the beam, feed out less of the rode and/or take in less on the spring line. To head her further off, slack the anchor rode more and/or haul in some more on the spring. A little experimentation and you'll easily master this useful technique.
Here are a few other pointers:
If the waves are abaft the beam it may be equally comfortable to lay your boat's stern to face them rather than the bow. This will require less line adjustment than swinging the bow all the way around.
Remember: To turn the bow to port, use a starboard forward quarter spring line; to turn to starboard, use a port spring.
If the wind gets to blowing harder and you feel uneasy about the strain your boat's beam-on position is putting on the anchor, you can instantly return to the normal anchor mode - bow to the wind - just by releasing the spring line. The boat will quickly swing to the breeze. The spring line can be recovered later when you weigh anchor.
This technique does rely on a fairly consistent breeze. If the wind shifts, you'll have to readjust the boat's angle. If the breeze dies altogether, deploying a stern anchor may be the only way to hold your boat end-on to the waves." (http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f74/anchor-spring-lines-653.html)
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jfm
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That works fine but many including me prefer the 2nd anchor deployed at the stern quarter. Reason is that it is easier to deploy imho (though that's a matter of opinion); doesn't need tweaking and adjusting to get the boat's angle right; nor des it need adjusting everytime the wind shifts a bit. The second anchor is therefore much more a "fit it and forget it" solution. You get the boat at the correct angle, every time, within about 5 mins
With stern winches the second anchor is dead easy to retrieve. Wouldn't be if there were no stern winches, I agree.
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mjf
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Hi,
I have tried this in the past and its not that good on my hull shape. More a keel boat option IMHO.
I like anchoring using stern to wind/tide as this reducing the swing
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