Nautical
regular
Reged: 24/02/2005
Posts: 2957
Loc: IOM - Hamble - SoF
|
|
Well now, suppose your friendly sports cruiser owner wanted to move into a flybridge thingy say something around 55' - 60' is not too concerned about brand but there seems to be a huge amount of product out there to start looking at with regards to cockpit flybridges but hardly anything that looks half sexy with an aft cabin. The only one I can find is the Pearl 60, now I have skippered one of these for an owner and to be honest I was mighty impressed with it, the rails and hand holds felt like they came off a battleship! very well built and goes like a bulldozer through the rough stuff, what really took me was the sheer volume inside yet you still had a good sized aft 'raised cockpit' and a flybridge although it s smaller than traditional flys but works none the less unless you have more than eight peeps up there. It seems a little dearer but at this price point not a huge issue but you seem to get so much more boat for your money and the fact that you are separated from your guests a night by the huge saloon and engine room makes for very peaceful life on board instead of listening to everyones ablutions and nocturnal antics.
Having said that I really like the look of the new Squaddie 55 just posted here recently and also the new Azimut 58 is a cracker, Sunseeker 60 could also be in the fray.
I guess I don't quite get the reasoning that there are so many cockpit flys around and virtually no aft cabin boats with any sort of oomph about them, seems all very trad looking and sort of ex pilot boat look about them. Surely that huge aft cabin has to be a bonus for very little extra dosh or have I lost the plot of what flybridges are all about?, it seems there is a big lump of living space missing where the cockpit is, I understand that you have steps to go up from the bathing platform on the P60 to the cockpit but not exactly hardship and on a 60 footer I doubt whether the height of the cockpit floor is that important or that different. Lazarette fair enough is an issue but is it really that critical against the trade off. There is obviously something adrift in my thinking as it seems there is only one builder of these aft things of any note but dozens of cockpit fly builders and guess they know what their customers want which doesn't appear to be anything with an aft cabin
-------------------- "It was absolutely involuntary. They sank my boat." - JFK
http://www.oceannautic.com/yachts_56.html
|
AlistairR
regular
Reged: 12/12/2002
Posts: 8174
Loc: North Ayrshire/ Loch Lomond.
|
|
DAN!!! Someone must have hacked into Nautical's account!!
-------------------- .Athlete, Wires.
|
Nautical
regular
Reged: 24/02/2005
Posts: 2957
Loc: IOM - Hamble - SoF
|
|
Oh no someone hasn't, I am the same Nigerian boaty person I always was
-------------------- "It was absolutely involuntary. They sank my boat." - JFK
http://www.oceannautic.com/yachts_56.html
|
timtap
regular
Reged: 28/06/2008
Posts: 204
Loc: Paignton Devon
|
|
Have you looked at the Princess 62 layout ??? Well built and good performance with a aft cabin that does not look too bad.
-------------------- In a recent survey it was discovered that 3 out of 4 people make up 75% of the population
|
Nautical
regular
Reged: 24/02/2005
Posts: 2957
Loc: IOM - Hamble - SoF
|
|
Yes , nice looking boat but the aft cabin has restricted headroom, seems only a proportion of it has standing room the main floor area you have to stoop or bend down to walk around the bed.
-------------------- "It was absolutely involuntary. They sank my boat." - JFK
http://www.oceannautic.com/yachts_56.html
|
MustangTom
regular
Reged: 15/07/2002
Posts: 2276
Loc: Faversham,Kent
|
|
I prefer no aft cabin, since I love fishing the back of the boat is reserved for fishing and partying not to mention getting in and out of ribs and dingys.
The lower the back of the boat the better as far as I am concerend.
Also with age in mind it is easier to board a non aft cabin boat !
Tom
|
Nautical
regular
Reged: 24/02/2005
Posts: 2957
Loc: IOM - Hamble - SoF
|
|
Fair comment and I would agree if I were a fishy person, mind you the P60 has that whacking great big Hi / lo hydraulic platform which I would imagine would make a great spot to dangling ones fishing lin off steps up for me isn't an issue (well yet anyway ) but I do also like the idea of being closer to the water in a cockpit set up, having said that at 60 odd foot even flybridge cockpits are not exactly at waterline level.
-------------------- "It was absolutely involuntary. They sank my boat." - JFK
http://www.oceannautic.com/yachts_56.html
|
mikef
regular
Reged: 16/05/2001
Posts: 8790
Loc: chesham, bucks and palma,major...
|
|
As a fan of aft cabin boats myself, I've asked the same question to builders many times at boat shows and the official line is that aft cabin boats cost more to build (extra cost of fitting out aft cab) and the Med market does'nt want them. A further reason at the moment is that aft cabin boats are not going to be suitable for IPS, Zeus or other drive system which requires the engines to be fitted at the aft end of the boat To be honest I buy the Med market argument because I would'nt want an aft cab boat in the Med either. Aft cab boats generally have significantly smaller flybridges because there's no flybridge overhang over the cockpit and, in the Med, the flybridge is where you spend most of your time. Then, many aft cab boats (except the Pearl) don't have decent shade over the cockpit areas and are somewhat exposed. IMHO it's also more pleasant sitting in a well shaded cockpit down at near sea level where the fridge and the galley is only a short stagger away. Also on aft cab boats the bathing platform is harder to reach and handling stern lines is more difficult and mounting a passarelle can be tricky. In addition some peeps don't like the idea of sleeping in a cabin next to the dock whilst moored stern to and prefer the privacy of a forward cab. So for the Med, I can well understand why aft cab boats are not popular On the other hand for northern climes, I would favour an aft cab layout myself because the flybridge and cockpit is less used (you're usually hiding from the wind/rain in the saloon ) Sealine, bless them, had a go at making the best of both worlds type boat with the 390/410/F43 and 450/T46 models which offered a decent shaded cockpit seating area over an aft cabin (by lowering the aft cabin deck height over the bed) and still maintaining a good sized flybridge. These were v successful for them and I'm not sure why nobody copied them It seems, as you say, that if you want an aft cab then your only choices are the Broom/Atlantic type command bridge layouts or the trad trawler style boats. But IMHO the new generation of flybridge boats with midships master cabins are getting close to offering the space of an aft master cabin so I can't see aft cabins making a comeback
|
C_Playa
regular
Reged: 14/06/2007
Posts: 805
|
|
Sorry... going much bigger to the Feretti 690 as I can't think of anything else...
Have to comment on the Azi 58. To my mind this is externally the ugliest new boat I know of. Rectangles working against circles, swoops, protrusions, cadillac fins ad nauseam etc. Maybe it's a great seller... you'll know far better than I.
Maybe she's an ugly girl who makes up for it in other ways...
-------------------- "Give a man a fish an he will eat for a day. Teach him to fish and he will sit in a boat and drink beer all day."
|
mikef
regular
Reged: 16/05/2001
Posts: 8790
Loc: chesham, bucks and palma,major...
|
|
Forgot about the 690 Altura. Yup v good point but you have to have the hull in dogshit orange/brown! Sort of agree with you on the Azi 58 styling which is a bit modern but the interior is fab and, yes, the order book is stretching into years so somebody must like it. I certainly would if I had the readies
|