Carol_Gary
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Reged: 03/07/2008
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They say first impressions count and for sure they do. We arrived at the “office” which is a portakabin in a the marina car park.
On the joining instructions it mentioned to meet at 8pm for an evening meal in the yacht club. Unfortunately the sailing school had failed to warn us that there would be no catering facilities available. Luckily we were able to visit a local fish & chip shop prior the others arriving who were not so fortunate.
The skipper arrived late. He duly issued the wet weather gear that had seen a lot better days. Once onboard – we were issued with life jackets – many of which had mould stains on and were frayed around the edges. ( He did mention that they had been tested within the last 12 months but did not produce evidence of this).
We were given a boat brief and told not to break the head door lock as it cost £60 for a replacement (we heard this on numerous occasions throughout the week) and how not to slam the overhead storage doors.
First morning breakfast – toast and cereal – nowhere in sight was there any traditional English breakfast. We should have known from this that it was going to be a week of very poor quality food. There was no fresh fruit or vegetable on offer. All the food was frozen or tinned. At least Tesco’s home label did well that week as we certainly did not. There wasn’t even any water on offer except water out of the tank. Even the lonely bag of bite sized chocolate was hidden away. The food was rationed, we were served out of date food and even mouldy bread!.
My partner was due to undergo his RYA Competent Crew course. After three days of being on board, I asked the skipper/instructor when the course was going to start. Every bit of information was extracted rather than being taught. It was probably the worse instruction I have ever seen.
As you can imagine, the atmosphere was quite difficult on board. We felt as though we were an uninvited guest rather than a paying customer. The skipper told us he was on holiday – yet we paid good money for our holiday which he seemed to forget. The comfort and safety of the guests were not his priority.
The return journey across the channel was interesting. The other yachts left early in order to complete the crossing as the weather was due to worsen. Our skipper didn’t change any plans to suit the weather conditions. Maybe it was because he didn’t want to miss out on his usual duty free wine. Hence, the last four hours of our crossing were in rough conditions.
I would recommend to stay clear of Moonfleet as the whole experience was one of a shoddy business that is done on the cheap without any customer focus.
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longjohnsilver
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Reged: 30/05/2001
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Loc: Devon
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Have you contacted with your complaints? If so what was their response?
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whipper_snapper
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Loc: Kenya
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tom52
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Reged: 23/09/2001
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Welcome to sailing. Its not as luxurious as the brochures.
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MoodySabre
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Reged: 24/10/2006
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Loc: Bradwell and Leigh-on-Sea
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Well said - too many around here are afraid to name and shame.
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FullCircle
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Reged: 19/11/2003
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Loc: 30000ft
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Welcome to the Forums.
You really have set the tone for your future here. We have lots of people coming along just use this place as a Whinge place to get your Beef onto the Internet. Its valid, but hardly good manners.
You dont say what your experience had been prior to this week, what research you did, what recommendations you sought, what your expectation were.
I can think of another well known and respected sailing school, whose proprietor is known for his crap food, in fact its an in joke. Hes only just discovered that Quiche casn have bacon bits in it. He does not pretend to be Jamie Oliver, but he can sail a boat. Did the brochure show details of steaming hot Trad English Brekkers? A typical menu sent with the details? Did they ask what special dietary needs you have? Seems pointless loading up on Bangers and Bacon to a boatload of Veggies. Planning I guess.
If you cant arrange a supplementary goodies stash, that probably your problem. Oh, is that mouldy Cadburys? Thats not good enough, I only eat Green & Blacks! See, bit whingy eh?
Did the wet weather gear actually do its job? If so, then it was fit for purpose, no?
Sorry, but your post just comes across as a wet weekend in February. Sailing is like that I am afraid.
Are you sure sailing is for you?
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alant
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Reged: 30/05/2001
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Loc: UK - Solent region
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You obviously have had a bad experience of the leisure sail industry, which you should not have had.
I used to instruct for Moonfleet about 4 years ago. We never had any complaints, in fact the exact opposite. Feedback forms were requested from all customers & any problems (few) quickly sorted.
They operated out of the portakabin even then, but it was comfortable & adequately equiped for their shorebased courses.
The owners Noel & Christine, were never the most extrovert of operators, but ran a fairly tight operation. Have you spoken to them?
Very suprised that the food was 'out of date'. They received a delivery from Tesco each weekend & yes, some food (indate) was recycled (in common with some other high profile schools).
Food, can be a very personal expectation, bearing in mind that you are on a small boat, with limited refridgeration/catering facilities which can be dependant upon weather/sea conditions etc. You are in some way camping on water, not living in a 5* Hotel. Some schools lean toward very high quality, with others providing more basic fare (in date).
Regarding the instructor/lifejackets etc, this is a different matter. Again speak to Moonfleet.
If you get no joy from speaking to Moonfleet & are still unhappy, you have the option of taking your complaint to the RYA.
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StugeronSteve
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Reged: 29/04/2003
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Loc: Not always where I would like ...
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No excuse for out of date food, but, as has already been pointed out, life on a saling boat isn't all G&Ts, canapes and crisp, cold white wine. A "full english" is great straight off the fork, but nowhere near as nice on its way back up, and it may just be that your skipper was giving those with the weaker stomachs chance to get their sea legs. Oilies and lifejackets do get mould spotted. We have got a very dry boat, kept on a marina berth and dehumidified all winter. Oilies are washed and properly dried, but the hoods etc are still mould spotted, I guess sh#t happens.
From the lack of comments to the contrary, I presume that the boat was well equipped and sea worthy. Sadly all boats, like people, have weaknesses. It may be the bog door, or a certain locker catch, and it is right that the skipper should point this out. My old boat had a dodgy cockpit locker lid, that didn't like to be slammed, and I used to bore people silly by warning them as it saved a horrible job with the Araldite and made sure that the thing didn't fall off during a passage.
What was the course sold as? Without knowing it is difficult to decide whether it was fit for purpose. Should you have been provided with food on the first night, or were you expectd to pay for your own ( the sailing school can't really be blamed for problems in the club kitchens)? What was your, overall, learning experience? I suspect, if you came away with nothing else, the skipper gave you chance to develop confidence, in yourself and the boat, by showing you that a bit of weather can be handled.
Welcome to the forum, by all means come and have a moan, but keep it a bit more balanced. Ask for the experiences of others and then go on to describe your own, that way we get a thread and not a rant. A letter to the school principal is a much better way of letting off steam.
Hope that your sea life improves, sailing has its cold, wet and nauseating moments, but at other times it is bliss. That's why we spend so much time and money on it.
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curve
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Reged: 09/02/2008
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Loc: North by Northwest
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Sorry, but your post just comes across as a wet weekend in February. Sailing is like that I am afraid.
Are you sure sailing is for you?
But it does not have to be like that at all. I learnt very quickly that the caravanning element of certain types of sailing is not for me. Unless I am trapped on an anchorage or still out on the briny, then I always check into a hotel on arrival in a port. I love sailing just not the camping paraphernalia that goes with it.
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BigNick
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Reged: 29/04/2003
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Loc: Lymington
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A "full english" is great straight off the fork, but nowhere near as nice on its way back up....
Oh, I am not sure about that ....
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