Gerry
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Am thinking of installing SSB radio and will need to do a course and take the exam. Has anyone any recommendations for a good course, preferably in the UK.
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Englander
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I'm also interested in this, somewhere in the southwest for me. Which SSB are you thinking about the usual Icom 710 or another, I would be intersted to hear your views, I'm also considering buying one. But it will be in Gib.
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Gerry
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Have now booked in with Yachtcom.com based in Southampton, £299 plus £75 exam fee. They run their courses on ICM710 so a good chance to have a go before you buy? The boat we have just bought has an old Husun 150 fitted but as we have no idea about these things- yet- I thought that we'd make a decision as to replace or not after the course.
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Boatman
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Before buying and even looking you should consider what type of comms you are getting into, there are a number of alternatives to the traditional Icom 710, which I have to say is an excellent radio and one that has provided me with hundreds of hours of trouble free service, with any of these systems the key to everything is a proper grounding.
When I talk about ?what type of comms? are you looking for eg. ship to shore, ship to ship, weatherfax, general weather info, e-mail etc.
Another point to bear in mind when looking at SSB is how technical are you, if you feel comfortable with items such as SWR, understand the basics of wave propagation, and concepts such as Simplex and Duplex channels then buying a Ham radio adjusted to cover all the marine frequencies is a cheaper and very good alternative, one of the differences is obviously the marine channels aren?t pre programmed, a second is that a HAM radio is obviously not GMDSS compatible (But is that necessary?) However they are certainly more flexible in many other areas.
Doing a HAM course is also a great grounding for the marine SSB course and it?s not that difficult, maybe a bit technical in places but not unduly and it certainly opens up another world of opportunities.
If anybody else wants any more info feel free to drop me a PM.
Happy hunting
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My husband has just done this course with Yacht.com and said it was excellent but really difficult with a lot to learn in four days. He passed and now all we have to do is install our ICOM 710. You can have the ham bands made available on this machine. He plans to do a ham course next.
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Englander
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How much did you set cost and where from? Is there anybody on the net selling these sets, I see the ICOM site, but no prices apart froma few US sites, where I will have trouble with CE marking etc. Do you know or anybody, whether I can just import one to Gib without the vat and import stuff?
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We got a brilliant price from EMS, the whole package including the A130 tuner and the 23ft whip aerial was about £1600, that's ex VAT as we live in Jersey. I was quoted about $3400 from USA for same.
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Englander
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Thanks, I'll have a word, but the qoute I got from US, was $2000, with tuner but no antenna. But by the time its shipped etc! I think I'll go with EMS, mine will be duty free aswell, shipped to Gibraltar.
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Boatman
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Watch out re the CE certification if you get caught it's £5000 of a fine, but i still ask why the Icom 710 as i said above great radio but, I also have a yaesu FT 100 does alot more is much smaller and hell of alot cheaper.
One thing that should be considered for any of these units is where to mount them the 710 weight is 8kg so don't mount it above your head, but most of the main units come with the option of having a detachable front so you can store the heavy bits in a locker or under a bunk.
One other thing to remember is that although all Icom radios are re-programable the dealers have been instructed not to do it. So although the 710 is capable of transmiting on HAM banks they won't reprogram it to do so.
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HaraldS
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Now that's all very interesting and I'm still trying to piece together all the facts on this topic. So my question is: Who is EMS and are the units you are talking about CE approved?
Here is what I know:
I was looking for a set that would allow me to use regular ITU ship to shore or ship-ship communication, and also allow me to work on the HAM radio networks.
Looked around and bought an Icom 710 with remote head and the open version that allows you to use any frequency in the range from 1.6 to 30 MHz. In talking to HAM's they don't like the unit because it is organized around channels, rather than frequencies, means before you can send you need to create a channel and set its transmit and receive frequency and the modulation etc. I figured I’d go with that compromise, instead of a cheaper and more versatile 706, because it would also give me a proper ship station.
Apparently there is some software that gives you a HAM style user interface on a PC and I think even for a Palm Pilot. Haven't tried it.
Also, through recommendation of friends who are Hams, I took the antenna tuner from SGC, (SG-200) they claim it is better than the AT130.
By the way, when I bought it two years ago, the standard 710 was $1300 and I paid about $1900 for the open feature and the remote head feature.
I have installed my unit, but never used it since I don't have a HAM license yet, (plan to make it later this year), and I could use it as a marine station since I couldn't register the unit for the ship station, until I found some way recently.
If you use it for as a marine SSB and you call any station, you need a call sign. It is the same as the VHF, but the shore station access the registration database that shows what frequencies you have registered, and maybe what billing service you use.
Things may be slightly different since my boat is Germany registered. The RegTP, the office that handles ships radio licenses was very friendly and helpful and told me to go to the manufacturer and get a CE approval number from them, and hinted that it might need some modifications.
Mailing Icom either in Europe or in the US led to absolutely no response. So I started investigating further and got some insight from a guy at Kiel Radio, who sell SSB e-mail services, which I'll probably subscribe to.
He told me that the only unit that is approved in Europe is a GMDSS prepared standard M710. Standard means not open to program any frequency and no remote head feature. It is also slightly modified, so it has a max power of 125W rather than 150W and it is only certified in conjunction with a special AT130E tuner, that has an additional emergency tuning circuit for 2182kHz range. The prices for that unit that I have seen so far are very high, about €4000 with the tuner.
I'm curious how you register your units, and if they are the CE -approved ones?
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