CaptainCava
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Reged: 06/07/2002
Posts: 97
Loc: Chertsey, Surrey
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I agree - just cut them off.
Don't wait for the 'threat' to get round by word of mouth....it wont.
Just cut them off.
By the way, does anyone know, is it illegal?
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maxi
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Reged: 08/11/2002
Posts: 567
Loc: Hampshire
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Kim, CHIRP 'appears' to be wholly directed to reactive reporting, their forms do not seem to allow for proactive prevention of problems that may arise in the future. The impression is that CHIRP is pretty much an exclusively big-ship thing.
The seemingly unregulated proliferation of fishing gear, particularly the poorly constructed gear that is begging for an incident, does urgently need to be addressed but if CHIRP is the direction to go, than it must be made accessible to small boat reports.
In the humble opinion of this ex Big Ship man, who is now a small boat sailor and who has already been deterred by the CHIRP forms.
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LordNelson
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Reged: 06/09/2002
Posts: 720
Loc: West Sussex, England
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The Dutch fishermen seem, in general, to mark their nets etc., very well and to an understandable code; could we not find out how they have managed to arrange this?
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kimhollamby
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Reged: 16/05/2001
Posts: 3847
Loc: London (at work)
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...your reaction mirrors mine. When I first saw the form in an RYA committee I more or less said "do you expect someone to fill in one of these"
Sad to relate the form hasn't changed. But I was also made aware that its very big-ship-ness was obviously deterring all leisure boaters and therefore they weren't filling it in and therefore the prop fouling issue didn't exist! For that reason I thought it best to encourage people to use what appears to be the only way of getting on the map, even if flawed.
Fascinatingly I've since heard of some fairly spectacular incidents with lobster pots and fast ferries (which can struggle if ingesting one up a water jet or catching one across a stabiliser) so one would hope CHIRP is picking that up.
All still reactive of course, but it's obvious too that no-one is running around checking these things on the water. On a cross-Channel recently we got buzzed by a MAFF plane but quite obviously it was on the hunt for illegal fishing, not small craft dropping polyprop and 5-litre washing up bottles.
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BobA
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Reged: 16/09/2003
Posts: 151
Loc: Hull
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Hi Alpha
A couple of weeks ago I was pottering along off Clacton with somewhere in the region of 25 other vessels of varying size. headingwest on an incoming tide which does run a bit quick at times, I saw the yacht infront of me (about 50yards) suddenly vear to starboard towards the shore which was about a quarter of a mile, he could not go to port because on closer inspection there was a drift net set up in a semi circle about 10 yds to his port side with no flag marks or anything all you could see was the occasional float on the top line.
I was motoring at the time - so hard astern and tea all over the cabin sole.
I agree they should be well marked and not in a "normal channel" for vessels from the Colne
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moodycruiser
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Reged: 14/05/2004
Posts: 638
Loc: Solent
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There's a lovely little dark blue one just outside the outer line of moorings at Yarmouth - great fun at night if you don't know it's there !
Tony
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Zeewulf
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Reged: 05/09/2004
Posts: 2
Loc: Solent
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Hi Kimhollamby
Part of the problem with HM Coastguard figures is that on an incident such as fouled prop, we can log it as a "Vessel - Fouled prop" in the incident log, but the incident is not Search and Rescue (SAR) unless the vessel is in danger and the RNLI are not obliged to launch unless the vessel is in danger... all we in the Rescue Coordination Centres can do is ask them if they will launch to a tow job, some lifeboats will and others will definitely not. Beyond that we can request nearby vessels to assist and this is almost invariably the quickest and safest solution if the casualty is not in immediate danger.
Please remember HM Coastguard are SAR specialists and not policemen. We will do all we can to help anyone who is in trouble, but it is nigh on impossible for HM Coastguard alone to force legislation which is why we ar part of the MCA. If a mariner reports that their Prop is fouled by fishing gear it will be recorded and with our new Information Management System these incidents will be flagged up if they are reported at the time, then maybe statistics will speak for themselves and perhaps the MCA may be able to act. Unfortunately near misses arent recorded.
There is legislation for marking of pots in the UK, the pot must be marked with a floating buoy showing the Fishing Vessels name and FV number. the business is an intensely competitive one and fisherman will not want flags because of the real danger of divers and other fishermen lifting their pots... it is a very lucrative business - I have known fishermen not give their position even in a distress, for fear of giving it away to the competition! Long line fishermen are required to buoy and flag the ends of the longline... why the difference noone can tell me.
Speaking for myself, I have encountered these problems and been fouled myself... in time honoured British maritime spirit I went over the side and cut the prop free then helped myself to a lobster on the way.
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Lifeboat
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Reged: 11/03/2005
Posts: 107
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Now speaking here on MY account & NOT that of the RNLI. I find it very worring that so many of you also have such a disregard for another mans living & the law, why all this he is an "offender"? Why is he the offender when it's you who is there for pleasure not your livelyhood.
Now dont get me wrong i'm in support of anything that will make it safer at sea, so if its a good thing it gets my vote. I'm just pointing out the other side to the coin. And before you ask, no im not a fisherman.
All i would say is that they are not all bad, & we need to focus on sorting the job at hand, not just giving fishing & fisherman a good slagging! It's a tough one, but one that will get sorted out!
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Lifeboat
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Reged: 11/03/2005
Posts: 107
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Out of interest, what sort of input would be wanted from the RNLI? And explain more of how it could/would help. I know that sounds daft, but it would paint the whole picture.
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BrendanS
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Reged: 11/06/2002
Posts: 35715
Loc: Me: Wilts. Boat: Lymington
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no one has anything particular against potters, but you've jumped in without having followed a lot of the debate. There are many amateurs who put pots in main channels and in other dangerous places, often with little or inadequate marking, connected by floating line etc etc
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