BrendanS
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Why go to all the hassle of trying to make general Health and Safety regulations fit a maritime environment, and the cost of trying to make legal precedence, when there is already legislation in force which has already been shown to be applicable, such as the 1995 Merchant Shipping Act.
It's not bullshit, it's commensense. Why are you so keen for someone to foot the bill, to try and create legal precedence, when it's not necessary?
Have a look here for an example of what has already been achieved under the Merchant Shipping Act
http://www.thisisdorset.net/dorset/weymouth/news/WEYMOUTH_NEWS_NEWS0.html
You don't provide any explanation of how or why you want to use Health and Safety legistlation - people slipping on deck, collions with other vessels, hitting the pontoon when berthing, trapping a finger in the anchor chain?
and as I stated in an earlier post, most people here are leisure boaters, so how would health and safety at work be of any relevance. I've already asked you how you intend to use the legislation - you didn't respond, so you'll have to excuse me being a bit Vulcan and asking some pertinent questions that you don't appear to be answering
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jollyjacktartheoceanpig
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Reged: 12/05/2005
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Brendan
Thanks for responding I think that you've addressed and expanded my initial point; in that there is already legislation in place to deal with this issue, whether it be H&S or maritime.
In raising safety in the workplace as an example I would see it applying to inshore fishermen in ensuring that they through their actions did not place the public or other workers at risk in their workplace . What happens on a privately owned leisure boat as in ones home I would suggest falls outside of that remit.
What clearly needs to happen is pressure from the leisure boating community (as is happening with the red diesel issue) to ensure the safety of all seafarers.
An ideal opportunity, as I said previously, for PBO or RYA to provide a lead.
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CHIRP_Director
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Reged: 09/02/2006
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Hello all. This forum has just been brought to my attention and it's good to see the issue of unmarked fishing gear and CHIRP's role being discussed.
CHIRP reacts to incidents/near-misses, rather than accidents and in that sense a CHIRP report is part of a proactive process. CHIRP uses the information it receives to try and prevent the escalation from incident to accident and has achieved significant success in both its aviation and maritime programmes.
CHIRP became involved in the unmarked fishing gear issue at the request of the RYA who felt that incidents were widespread, but not collected consistently and independently. There were also some concerns that reports were not being submitted because of possible hostility from fishermen.
CHIRP accepts reports:
When you are concerned to protect your identity
When you wish others to benefit from an important "lesson learned"
When other reporting procedures are not appropriate or not available.
When you have tried other reporting procedures without the issue having been adequately addressed.
Reporting to CHIRP is relatively easy; we provide a form (clearly not universally popular!), but also accept reports over our web-site, by post, e-mail and by telephone (preferably followed up in writing). The form only asks for the relevant sections to be filled in, please feel free to ignore the others.
Despite the relatively few reports received there are signs that the profile of this issue has been raised significantly and progress is being made.
You have a number of voluntary reporting options including the MCA, MAIB, RYA, CHIRP and forums such as this one. The important thing is that they are reported and brought to the attention of someone who can do something about it. I would encourage all of you to continue to report and not to retaliate and risk becoming law breakers yourselves.
I look forward to participating in this forum again in the future and if anyone wants to know more about CHIRP and what we're up to, just get in touch.
All the best
Mike Powell
Director (Maritime) CHIRP
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pelicanpete
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Reged: 01/07/2003
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Now speaking here on MY account & NOT that of the RNLI. I find it very worring that so many of you also have such a disregard for another mans living & the law, why all this he is an "offender"? Why is he the offender when it's you who is there for pleasure not your livelyhood.
What a ridiculous and stupid opinion! What would your reaction be if I planted trees in the middle of the M3 because I liked to harvest nuts!
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Morgana
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Thanks Mike...... Its not a perfect system, as the posts all suggest, but at least there's progress..... welcome to the forum.
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duncan
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Reged: 16/05/2001
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Loc: Home mid Kent - Boat @ Poole
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What a ridiculous and stupid opinion! What would your reaction be if I planted trees in the middle of the M3 because I liked to harvest nuts!
(1) you won't find many professional potters potting in the shipping lanes (M3) - because their ends just keep getting cut off.
(2) I believe lifeboat was responding to those suggesting that all potters were at fault etc and subsequently (to that post) clarified.
Generally I am of the view that the local harbour aurhorities should do more to ensure that navigation is safeguarded in those areas under their control through byelaws and enforcement as already commented on.
In open water that secrecy should be put ahead of safety is however ridiculous.
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fisherman
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Reged: 02/12/2005
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Loc: Far S. Cornwall
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(1) you won't find many professional potters potting in the shipping lanes (M3) - because their ends just keep getting cut off.
Unfortunately we find that thoroughly perverse crabs and lobsters inhabit those places frequented by ships. Sometimes in my usual area of fishing, between one and six miles off The Lizard, I have lost a hundred ends in a season. £650.
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blueglass
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Reged: 27/04/2003
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Loc: Italy (boat) Shropshire (home)
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How about posting a link on this forum to your online reporting facility?
I think you might increase the rate of reporting dramatically if people can see an alternative to a detailed written, snail mail system.
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BrendanS
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Reged: 11/06/2002
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Loc: Me: Wilts. Boat: Lymington
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website is here
http://www.chirp.co.uk/main/Maritime.htm
Click on reporting, then forms to download forms in 3 possible formats. It then falls down, as clicking on send report sends them an email, but you can't attach the report. Presumably they email you back and they contact you????
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blueglass
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Reged: 27/04/2003
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Loc: Italy (boat) Shropshire (home)
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thanks for link. Actually i recognised the website as soon as I saw it. I gave up on it last time as all i could see was a means of downloadind the form, printing it out, filling it in and putting it in the post.
I then noted from Mike Powell's posting here that he claimed you could report online. This is clearly not the case unless I am missing something.
If they genuinely want to collect information about this growing and very real problem, a less passive approach is required.
rgds,
Dave
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