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    details.

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    Still smacks of doing just enough to say 'not our fault' when the derogation is removed [img]/forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif[/img]

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    Better late than never [img]/forums/images/graemlins/mad.gif[/img]
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    Exactly.

    With the application now in, now really is the time for anyone who hasn't already to contact their MEPs to highlight the importance of this issue.

    There are full details of the easiest way to contact your MEP, and facts and figures you can use to support your case here

    I know there is a certain amount of red diesel fatigue on this forum at the moment, and even a little bit of a backlash at times, but the facts remain that people are going to be forced out of the hobby they love, people are going to lose jobs in marine-supported businesses, and the net effect will be a loss to this government's coffers.

    Even if your message to your MEP is just two lines long, the fact that you've expressed the importance of the issue is what matters. No politician - in Europe or otherwise - can properly represent you unless they know what's on your mind.

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    Who votes on this - MEPs or the Council of Ministers?

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    The decision will be proposed by the Commission, and ratified by the Council of Ministers.

    Even so, it's easier and, I think, more effective, to lobby via MEPs. Although they won't have a vote on the issue, they do have direct contact with the commissioners involved.

    Most MEPs who have supported the campaign have immediately written to the commissioner responsible for this decision, and I think that's a good start.
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    I did as suggested. Here was my little piece - I know not everyone will agree with the petrol versus diesel argument, but I consider it valid.

    Cheers,
    Paul


    Dear MEP,
    I don't know if you are aware, but the future of the derogation of diesel for pleasure boating purposes is currently in question.

    This essentially allows pleasure boaters to take advantage of lower tax diesel (often called 'red diesel') for boating purposes. The loss of this derogation is likely to cause significant decline in the local boating industry and will have knock-on effects in terms of jobs losses, all with a final result of reduced money to the government (not vice-versa).

    Additionally come into play safety and green issues since the reduced taxation on diesel has led a predominately diesel based motor boating community in the UK. This is a good thing - diesel is very safe for boating use (highly reliable and non explosive, unlike the petrol counterpart). Also the use of diesel engines are better for the environment than petrol equivalents. However, diesel engines cost a lot more to buy than petrol, and the differentiation between the 2 fuels will be lost with the derogation going, and so it's likely that there will be much more petrol powered craft than diesel on the water.

    An application has been submitted to Brussels for an extention of the derogation, but it's unlikely to be approved without support of MEPS like yourself. If you would like to see more details and supporting facts and figures, please consult the following http://www.ybw.com/mbm/redalert/blog...lert_blog.html

    I hope the boating community can count on your support.

    Yours sincerely,

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    Looks really good to me.

    Let us know what response you get...

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    Will do Simon.

    Cheers,
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    Here's my first bit of news from one of the MEPs I lobbied;


    Thank you for your email on the subject of the UK's derogation on marine
    diesel.

    As you are aware, the UK was originally granted a number of exemptions from
    Council Directive of 27 October 2003 on restructuring the Community
    framework for the taxation of energy products and electricity (2003/96/EC).
    In particular, Article 18, paragraph 1 which authorises Member states to
    continue to apply reductions in the levels of taxation or exemptions as set
    out in Annex II. For the United Kingdom, the list in Annex II includes "a
    reduction in the rate of excise duty on diesel to encourage the use of more
    environmentally friendly fuels," as well as for "navigation in private
    pleasure craft. European legislation on this issue is very clear: the UK
    government has the discretion to decide its excise duty policy in these two
    areas (amongst others listed in Annex II).

    Aware of the disastrous impact that this directive could have on the UK
    private boating and marine industry, Conservatives in the European
    Parliament have continually opposed any move to get rid of red diesel in
    Europe. Indeed, when I was first made aware of the situation I wrote
    immediately to John Healey MP, at the time the Minister responsible for how
    the UK should fight to retain this derogation, in order to express my
    support for its retention.

    The UK government did submit the request for the extension of the derogation
    and received the Commission's response in June. Although the Commission is
    not in favour of extending the derogation UK Ministers maintain the belief
    that there is a strong enough case to support its renewal. The RYA (Royal
    Yachting Association) is continuing in its co-operation with the government
    to work on putting forward as strong as possible an argument in support of
    this.

    However, ultimately the decision to grant the derogation depends upon
    unanimous agreement from the Council of Ministers to an eventual proposal
    from the Commission, this is without doubt a lengthy procedure and it is
    quite possible that in the meantime the Commission may grant temporary
    extension to the derogation, although this may only add to the confusion.

    I am liaising directly with the relevant unit in the Commission in order to
    secure that a strong proposal is put forward to the Council and will do all
    I can to support the extension of this derogation.


    Yours sincerely

    DANIEL HANNAN MEP

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