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    whisper is offline Registered User
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    It also generally has a higher sulphur content than "road" diesel - so again "how can it be the same fuel?"

    Our boating organisations have really done us proud on this, haven't they?

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    "Maybe even with the cojones to say to Brussels "this is how it works here, put up or shut up".

    Andrew don't hold you breath!

    I received the following response from my MP.

    " I recognised the contribution that the boating industry makes to the UK economy and the quality of life of many people but the energy products directive does not allow different rates of duty to be charged on the same type of fuel so marine diesel will have to be charged at the road fuel rate.

    My MP is the Conservative party treasury spokesman.

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    Sorry for the repeated message.

    "It also generally has a higher sulphur content than "road" diesel - so again "how can it be the same fuel?"



    Yes, higher sulpher lower Cetain and a different colour even a different BS number this info published in MBM article.
    MBM also published a table of EU fuel charges that showed 3 EU countries charging about 25ppl less for marine diesel than roadside fuel see 'Red Alert. I have read many comments in MBM stating that the EU minimum should be applied and they campaigned along with the RYA to keep the derrogation which I thought was to keep a reduced rate of tax on marine diesel.
    I have never understood why the price was no longer the issue for the RYA after the loss of the derrogation.

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    I have never understood why the price was no longer the issue for the RYA after the loss of the derrogation.

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    I really wish I had kept it but I'm sure one of the newsletters I got actually said that the majority of their members were in favour of price rises on enviromental grounds.

    I cancelled my membership last year and upgraded to Governor level of the RNLI with the money. A lot better place to spend my hard earned I think.

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    couldn't agree more and will be doing exactly the same thing
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    >>>
    I really wish I had kept it but I'm sure one of the newsletters I got actually said that the majority of their members were in favour of price rises on enviromental grounds.
    >>>

    It may even be in this thread. Think about the "Y" bit. An organisation that is failing its "fit for purpose" test, unless its purpose is clearly defined as:-

    "To promote the higher ends of (Solent-based) yacht racing to the detriment of all other forms of boating"
    Two beers please, my friend is paying.

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    The oct issue of their newsletter ends with ....

    This is the end of the saga and we have a pragmatic decision from HMRC, so I think the important thing is just to get out there and enjoy our boating.”


    say no more in other words tough s**t like it or lump it.

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    Hi Whisper,

    At the risk of being shot down in flames, I think our boating organisations should be congratulated. The EU minimum was never on the cards. The EU classes both boat diesel and road diesel as 'gas oil'. The Energy Products Directive outlaws two different rates of duty for the same fuel. To us, they're different fuels, but to the EU, it's all the same stuff.

    Now consider also that HMRC was under no obligation to even give us this 40% allowance. They could have said 100% full duty, and told us to get on with it. That they did is credit to the behind-the-scenes work done by the RYA, BMF and IWA. Believe it or not, these three do pack a punch in Parliament, and as a result, we have what can be described as a generous split in domestic use and propulsion fuel.

    Having said all that, any hike in diesel prices is bad. But if you're pragmatic, you have to acknowledge that, given the above, this is as good a result as we could have hoped for.

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    Well said!
    £1.07 per litre is a lot better than £1.30 per litre which is what I was expecting.
    Have to say though the RYA seems mainly interested in racing sailing boats (not that theres anything wrong with that)
    But I for one was very happy and relived to hear about the 60/40
    All we need to do know is educate the fuel vendors as one told me on Sunday that as I don't have a generator I don't qualify!!
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    I would add that they (the Gov) know that this solution will not make them friends (voters) amongst boaters who will still see a large increase in the cost of their pastime AND it will cause them no end of grief with our near maritime neighbours who will inevitably take a pop from time to time by picking on boats with red in their tanks DESPITE the net duty paid being significantly above that charged by their own administration.

    I believe the result is a good compromise; no one trying to argue that 60/40 is a bad result for cruising craft is going to get much success in any bar I frequent.

    Oh - and I do have a big Eber in my little 7.8 metre planning craft........

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