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  1. #11
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    Default Re: French inspect life jackets...

    If you have a DSC radio you don't need flares in France.
    However if you do have flares (even if you did not need to have them), they must be in date otherwise you risk a fine.

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    Default Re: French inspect life jackets...

    No, you do not have to comply with French requirements. That is the whole point of having your UK registration because that means your boat has to comply with UK requirements only, which for a pleasure (not commercial/charter) are effectively non-existent as far as equipment is concerned. So they can inspect you but not "impound" or do anything like that. The possible exception is flares where if you do carry them they must be in date. You are also required to show your registration on demand and can get an on the spot fine if you don't. This applies to French boats as well as UK.

    This subject has been done to death on the fora and there are many misconceptions. I know many posters don't have time for the RYA but they do publish detailed guidance on the website and published an excellent review article covering the main principles of taking your boat abroad in last Autumn's members magazine.

    Happy reading!

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    Default Re: French inspect life jackets...

    Been a big thread about this recently.

    For a UK flagged boat sailing in French waters the rules vary depending on the size of the boat > or < 7 metres and how far offshore you plan to go > or < than 6nm.

    Assuming that you are in a boat greater than 7 m (ie not a small trailer-sailer) and will be more than 6nm from a safe haven (not just > 6nm offshore) then:

    1. You must carry in date flares and they must be 3 red hand held; 3 parachute and 2 floating smoke. This is incidentally the standard "coastal" pack bought in French chandlers.

    2. You must carry a lifejacket for each crew member.

    3. You must carry a liferaft(s) that will accommodate all crew carried - you only do not need one if you are only sailing less than 6nm from a safe haven.

    The list is far longer than this but these seem to be the items that the French police look for most often.

    The comment above about having a DSC/VHF and not needing flares is incorrect. The new rule is that if you have a DSC/VHF but do not go more than 6nm from a safe haven, you only need 3 red hand held flares. This would only apply to boats that are based in France and doing short coastal hops say in the Gulf of Morbihan or similar.

    Obviously you can take the risks if you wish but having witnessed a "dawn raid" by the gendarmes openly carrying guns, I for one am sticking to the rules!!

    Also almost every time I have been offshore I have seen the French customs boats out and about just keeping an eye on what is going on although I have not seen them stopping anyone at sea.

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  6. #16
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    Default Re: French inspect life jackets...

    Sorry, you are absolutely wrong. If your boat is on the UK register it does not have to comply with French registration requirements. Please read the RYA material if you don't believe me. I could summarise it all in about 500 words, but better you get it from an authoritative source.

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    Default Re: French inspect life jackets...

    I absolutely support Tranona's post. The international maritime laws are very clear on this subject. If you are flagged to a particular country, it is that country's regulations that you must adhere to, not the country being visited.

    There is however, plenty of room for foreign enforcement agencies to either ignore or be ignorant of this legal fact.

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    Default Re: French inspect life jackets...

    You are right that at one time NZ tried to impose its own requirements on non-NZ vessels in contravention of the UN Convention on the Law of the Sea. However, when challenged I believe it climbed down and did just the same as any other Coastal State under the Convention. The legal concept is "comity" where one state respects the laws and requirements of another. So in the case of ships (including yachts) the responsibility for determining registration requirements lies with the Flag State. The Coastal State will allow foreign flagged vessels to enter territorial waters without demanding the vessel meets local requirements.

    If this was not so, you would not be able to go to France from UK on Condor whose ferries are registered either in Singapore or Bermuda (unless they have changed since I last looked).

    See the RYA article for a more detailed explanation (pages 17-19)

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    Default Re: French inspect life jackets...

    And what exactly is so wrong with having to carry lifejackets for your entire crew [img]/forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif[/img]
    I do - don't you?

    PS: couldn't find anything relevant on the RYA website (no change there), only some drivel about lifejackets on planes.

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    Default Re: French inspect life jackets...

    I'm with you, unfortunately we will never convince those that wish to over regulate themselves.
    There is nothing wrong with people observing tighter regs that ours, but they should not be stated as 'gospel' for UK registered boats.

    PS: From the http://www.mcga.gov.uk/c4mca/mcga07-...ifejaclets.htm
    One of the MCA's current three year safety themes is a Lifejacket Awareness Campaign

    We aim to work with our partner organisations, including the RNLI and the RYA, to promote the carriage and wear of lifejackets within the leisure sector.


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