Odours are possible in principle and we have thought about them. Only solution is a good installation: good quality hoses, well made joints, etc. In my previous 2 sq58s the fuel tanks have been under the saloon floor with access hatches and I never had odours. So, touch wood, I reckon it'll be ok. This tank can be removed and serviced if needed, just by dismantling the plywood bed above it
The tank has baffles but there will hardly ever be sloshing noise because the normal mode of operation will be to leave all three tanks connected as one virtual tank, with both engines and gensets drawing from this centre tank. Hence, until I'm down to my last ~30% fuel, this tank will always be full 100%, hence no sloshing. I expect to spend so little time with fuel low enough for this tank to slosh that it just wont be a problem in practice. And even if this tank is not full, the bed construction + mattress over it will reduce the noise, and anyway the boat has to be moving (under power or rocking at anchor) for the fuel to slosh and then you have a load of other noise anyway. Also in a med boat there is always the background airflow noise of airco, etc.
As ever with boats there are compromises. The centre fuel tank location is perfect engineeringwise being low down and amidships, and even on a boat this size you don't have loads of choice about positioning a tank this big. So it kinda has to go there. with the (manageable) risk of sloshing/odours. Or not be on board, but I really do want the range it'll give me so it's a "must have" for me. Also the tank valves are all arranged to give the captain loads of options, including emptying this tank and just not using it at all
So it aint perfect, and contains some compromises, but is a good overall solution I reckon. With 1600+ gall / 7200+ litres of fuel I'll have fantastic range at displacement speed (well over 1000nm) and pretty good range at planing speed. I can do Antibes - Balearics and back without refuelling; with the fuel price differential between the two locations this tank pays for itself in a couple of trips!
The other aspect of this kind of customisation is it makes the boat easy to sell when the time comes. There are about 6 Sq78s now on the used market and they are basically the same spec. When I sell mine it will be the only one with fin stabilisers and long range fuel - I'd go for those benefits if I were the buyer. When I sold the last Sq58 it was the only one on the market with the light oak interior, out of 212 boats built and perhaps 25 Sq58s that are for sale at any one time. The very first people to see it signed and paid a deposit within about a week, at close to the chunky price you can see on EBY's website. So I reckon it's good if your boat stands out (in a positive way!) on the used market, else it takes ages to sell and you get price chipped.
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Thread: Boat in build pics (Squadron 78)
24-07-10, 08:51 #131
24-07-10, 09:15 #132
I do find there is a lack of info though on what this stuff will do. As one example, take the http://mrmarine.com.au/NMEA2000%20Specs/Alba-Out8.pdf product from that website. To take a basic example, you could use this say to switch on an alarm if fuel falls <25%. But the info provided by manuafaturer doesn't say exactly how you'd configure it to do that. I mean how do you tell the black box to look on the nmea2000 netowrk for fuel level data (among all the other data) and then close say the second of its 8 switches when a <25% value is returned?
And as a second example, it's hard to find out what your dispays will support. Let's say you buy this http://mrmarine.com.au/NMEA2000%20Specs/Alba-In.pdf and as one of the inputs you connect a microswitch to tell the Alba-In if the bathing platform is fully up or not. How do you know if you can configue the Garmin screen or Maretron DSM250 display to say "Bathing Platform down"? Or if you can have a single screen page that displays the output of all 8 microswitches that the Alba-In can handle, with user-definable labels for each switch (eg you could have a microswitch on every porthole, then you'd need to name them on the display screen)? The Garmin/Maretron manuals don't seem to mention fully user definable screens to display this kind of data. Maybe it can be done and I'll find out when the gear is installed and I've worked my way around the menus, but at the moment I find it disappointing that it is so hard to figure out what can and can't be done
So I'll see how it goes and if I can do all these things and have user definable pages on the display screens I'll expand the system
24-07-10, 09:40 #133
I still recon that the best addition we installed was the PC feed throughout - especially to feed the nav systems.
And the PC doesnt need modern interfaces either - just lots of wiring to each display. The benefits all come later when you realise that the PC can those little extra things and if its integrated at the begining, its there when you need it.
24-07-10, 09:49 #134
WOW! - That is a big boat. You don't say much about the completed boats capabilities or what you will do with her (sounds a blimmim obvious question) as I note the extended range fuel tank...some serious cruising planned?
Isn't it nice to see that boat building is still a) an art and b) a labour intensive process that the internet can't kill off.
You know we all want more pictures, so get 'em posted
Never knowingly PC
24-07-10, 13:30 #135
Congrats on the purchase, enjoy the build, I always think it is one of the best parts of boat ownership that stays with you long after the boat has been sold on.
Like you, I have been looking around for a rib around the 4-4.3m mark for my next ride which has just gone into build. After many months of looking and researching, I settled for the Novurania 430DL with a Yam 60. I agree they are a little utilitarian in places but no rib ticked all my boxes. As they have no UK dealer, I was able to order direct from the factory in Florida whilst on a visit there, they will ship directly to the boatyard just in time for the delivery early next year. Easy process and great discount too!
Keep the pics coming, very interesting.
24-07-10, 20:22 #136
25-07-10, 01:19 #137
I actually agree with you (and jfm) that they're not much needed on such a ship, but if you just compare the Bennetts with the k-planes, on any boat where tabs really matter, then you will tell me what's wrong with them...!
25-07-10, 01:39 #138
A few mm? Wow, that's impressive. In my boat, I can put a finger between the stabs and the hull.
You'd better remove the old a/f in that area, before putting the new one on!
That aside, this is indeed an interesting bit of naval architecture.
On first thought, I would have agreed that the alignment between the fin and the lift strip is a nice coincidence, but coming to think of it, I can't get my head around the feeling that it would be better to have the fin as far as possible from any strip. Or maybe as far as possible from the inner strip, but still staying reasonably far also from the outer strip (if that makes sense).
I'd be interested to hear the designers view, if you had the opportunity to discuss this matter.
25-07-10, 10:20 #139
Yup, in truth the best answer for the stab fins is to have no lift strip anywhere near. But that couldn't happen in this case - the boat wasn't designed for fins. So all I meant was it seems a nice coincidence (rigidity-wise and aesthetically I suppose) to have the strip perfectly in line, rather than say 50mm to one side
I don't think the lift strip matters when using the stabs at zero speed. When underway the strip will interfere with the water flow over to top 50mm or the stab, but that's tought luck I guess. The stabs are 750mm deep
25-07-10, 10:24 #140
Seriously though, the christmas cracker stabs may look like children's toys but they are actually very well made and reliable!