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  1. #31
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    Default Re: Please help us with your reports

    My home waters are the Menaii Straits, around Anglesy and Caernarfon Bay. There have always been pot markers (25 Years) and they have been well marked with large bright floats and, off Trefor, with flags. This year though there are many more. Anyone heading South through the Swellies should keep on the last transit until well off the Wales side. The proliferation of pots there is worrying. There is no guarantee that the risers are long enough, leaving the marker just below the surface on both flood and ebb, and possibly with a floating line snaking on the surface at low water slack.
    On the Anglesy side, just south of Plas Newedd there is another infestation.
    Last week, returning from Liverpool at midnight we came across some very small (6") long sausage shaped floats off Bangor pier
    I share your concern

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  2. #32
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    Default Re: Please help us with your reports

    I often sail over to Brittany and I think that the French have a good idea- any pot
    buoys have to be marked with your boat registration number. Any unmarked pot
    buoys can be removed by coastguards etc. Amateur fishermen are restricted in the number of pots they can lay (3 I think). The professional fishermen out there
    use floats with a pole and a flag or some times large pink buoys.
    The cheap polypropylene line that floats should either be outlawed or people
    made to weight it down with lead weights.
    In company with some friends I chartered a boat out of St Malo, and as we
    sailed out in the main channel between the Grand Jardin lighthouse and some rocks we snagged a pot buoy - there was a flag marker but the helm did not see it. The boat stopped dead as the rope had caught between the top of the rudder and the hull. It was too risky to run the engine to reverse and there was no room to manoeuver . Luckily the boat had a sugarscoop stern and the marker was cut off. This was not the end of our predicament as another buoy then popped up-we were still attached. A rolling hitch was put on the pot line to try to pull it up on the winch-it proved to be too heavy.
    Reluctantly the other marker was cut off as well and we were free. It was probably
    an expensive loss for the boat that laid the pots, but better that than endanger our
    boat and crew.
    Regards, Phil

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  3. #33
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    May 2001
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    Home mid Kent - Boat @ Poole
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    Default Re: common misconception

    many references are made to pots markers being 'incorrect' when underwater but as I understand it where the tides are strong (certain areas/springs) smaller markers are put on to avoid the tidal drag on the marker causing the line of pots to roll up in the tide. If you go out to the west of Poole at Springs when the tide is running you won't see many markers - as the tide slakens up they all pop!
    Please do not think I am registering an opinion on this!


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  4. #34
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    Default Re: Please help us with your reports

    You are correct in what you say.
    Too much buoyancy at once and this will start the end pot rolling resulting in what is commonly
    known in fishing circles as a bunch of grapes!....... bit of a bu--er to lift as well.

    In my experience if you use lead line all the way down its to much weight to support plus the
    fact that lead line will soon snag the bottom.

    The answer is to use a combination of floaty and leadline, floaty on the bottom part.

    Anyone not using this is IMHO a cowboy and not a professional fisherman !......

    As to a fisherman losing a string of pots if you sink or cut his markers this is false no fisherman worth his salt will lose a string of pots.


    GPS readings are taken off both ends of the string so even if both ends are lost he still knows where they are.
    And are soon recovered by towing what we use to call a " Creep " something like a inverted christmas tree along the bottom as the rope between the pots is usually also floaty, again so not snag.

    This is towed over the pots and will catch the rope between the pots. inconvenient but not a catastrophy! cowboys might not be aware of this means of retrieval, hopefully !.........

    I use to space them at between 8 to 10 fathoms sometimes further , 40 on a string, depending on the depth of water. it all has to be lifted safely. Use to work around 400 pots.

    Not taking any sides in this, just sharing my experience.

    But agree as to the use of gallon cans or other inappropiate marking and as to the setting of them in shallow water with floaty line its bloody dangerous and the culprits should be prosecuted, again IMHO !



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  5. #35
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    Default Re: Please help us with your reports

    Without doubt pots are the most likely hazard to ever effect small boat sailors in coastal waters. The weather can be predicted, pots canít. They are the equivalent of a World War II minefield. In 30 years of sailing the most dangerous incidents I have ever had have all involved badly marked pots. Fisherman have a right to work and what would life be without lobster and crab, but they have no right to put peoples lives at risk. I once had a line from a pot fouled around the propeller in the Looe Channel in the middle of the night. The propeller wasnít even in use at the time and the Looe Channel is dangerous enough in the dark without deliberately laid hazards.
    It should be a legal requirement that pots should be marked with the owners name, clearly flagged, lit at night and should never be laid in restricted channels or harbour entrances.
    What are we going to do about it?


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    "It is better to light a single candle than to curse the darkness."

  6. #36
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    Default Re: Please help us with your reports

    I used to curse and swear about the markers as I sailed out of Christchurch (UK one!).
    Over the last year though a lot of the pots now seem to be marked with black flags on poles so well done to the fishermen who do this and to the others please follow suit.

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  7. #37
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    Default Re: Please help us with your reports

    The volume of rubbish especially plastic in the sea is staggering. All the way from Ushant to Falmouth. It included a 3 m metal pole.

    Clearly the rubbish is of no concern to big ships but to yachts the prospect of rubbish around the prop is very high.

    I do feel that a move to clean up the sea is long overdue.

    many trawlers are idle and they are well placed to do the job

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  8. #38
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    Default Re: Please help us with your reports

    Hello John - from the time of your post I expect those sheep are still getting you up early! I agree completely about the mess we've made of the channel and north sea with rubbish. A visit to the beautiful deserted beaches of the Dutch Frisian Isles out of season is embarrassing. Tons of non-biodegradable plastic bags, tarpaulins and containers are washed up on the beaches by the prevailing wind. Of course nearly all of it is primarily English, as the labels witness

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  9. #39
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    Default Re: Please help us with your reports

    I wouldnt bother trying to lift it if I was caught, I'd simply liberate the bouy.

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  10. #40
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    Default Re: Please help us with your reports

    Can't entirely agree. Sail down from La Coruna to Gibraltar & the inshore track is definitely a 'mine field' even near harbour entrances. Small open boat fishermen lay them by the square metre - the only boats which seem to ignore them & charge right thru' are the larger offshore fishing boats. In addition on these coasts there are net fishing traps - not all lit.
    What about the presumably French ones seen almost mid channel & in depths most of us would least suspect as a hazard area.

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