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  1. #51
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    Default Re: good report and bad report

    En route from Portsmouth to brighton 13/9/3 saw loads of pots, all very badly marked about 3 miles south of Chichester. They were a mixture of once orange (now almost black) 'bouys' about the size of a loo cistern float and 1litre oilcans. Despite the fact it was very sunny and calm, they were still very difficult to see and not laid in any particular pattern. The worst ones were just a few metres to the NE of the West entrance to the Looe channel, which is really stupid.

    On passing the channel, just off Bognor/Littlehampton, we saw plenty more pot markers. But these had I metre poles and two black flags attached. They were in groups of two and pretty easily seen some way off.

    I can't be unreasonable surely to insist on:

    1, Minimum distance from navigation points and areas of high traffic (eg Portland Bill)
    2, Minimum size of marker buoy and designated colour
    3, 1 metre (or 2 in some areas) pole - top flag black, lower flag orange
    4, Name of vessel (licence number on each buoy)
    5, Fixed penalty (or confiscation) for all owners of buoys found in breach of the above.

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  2. #52
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    Default Re: good report and bad report

    I second Zeff's ideas for pot marking.

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  3. #53
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    Default Suggestions to solve the problem

    We've all had these scares, mine includes a lobster pot stopping a 52 footer dead in the Round the Island Race a couple of years ago.

    There are obvious problems with black pots, some have sticks and flags but these are useless at night and in a strong tide most bouys get pulled under. Seems to me with the advent of cheap solar panels and low consumption LED light sources, it shouldn't cost more than say £5-£10 to make them visible at night.

    It is not beyond the ingenuity of man to design a new Euro standard pot bouy and Brussels would have great fun persuading the French to take it on.

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  4. #54
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    Default Re: good report and bad report

    Agree. I've long thought it reasonable to mark pots with owner's details. It needn't be a great expense to keep a register. Unmarked pots to be lifted and pooled for the general benefit of registered fishermen. Or to pay for the register.

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  5. #55
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    Default Re: Please help us with your reports

    Picked up two large pieces of green polyprop net, within two weeks whilst on holiday. One which was in horrible conditions, could have been nasty.

    I'm not sure how the net is abandoned. Is it that it becomes damaged whilst deep fishing, and then cut free?

    Whatever the reason, the first course is simple communication direct to the fishermen, of the dangers it's causing. "Of course they know" someone will say. But A5 colour flyers can be printed at around £160 per 10,000. I've even thought of having it done myself.

    Printed in French and English, they can be put on fishing vessels/in offices both sides of the Channel with ease. The individuals need to see them. I bet it would lower the incidence considerably.

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  6. #56
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    Default Re: Please help us with your reports

    14 Septemeber about half a mile north of Brixham Harbour entrance - small orange net.

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  7. #57
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    Default Re: Please help us with your reports

    EASTBOURNE
    Twice this year with fouled prop fromethe line running out from the pot marker a good 40 feet away,this is just my experience ,I have been cruising in company at Eastbourne,and they also have got into trouble ,The place is a minefield.

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  8. #58
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    Default Re: Please help us with your reports

    Unacceptable sightings / experiences:

    1. Walton on the Naze point, Essex. A series of sall round weed-encrusted buoys just showing on the surface by day, having no flags or other warnings above water level. Sighted late September. Situated in the path of all traffic up the Essex coast and making for Harwich estuary.

    2. Off Felixstowe, a series of small flags, no more than 12 inches high and invisible in all but a dead calm. Sited directly in the path of traffic making northwards towards the Deben entrance. Sighted early October.

    3. Off the entrance to Eastbourne Harbour, a series of 5 litre cans in the entrance to the harbour, which route is constrained by shallows, so reducing the scope for avoidance. Sighted several times this and earlier seasons. Personally fouled by one cluster in August 2001 requiring a blade to free the boat (38 footer!)

    4. 5 litre cans and similar in the Orwell estuary directly in the path of traffic entering S of the shipping channel. Sighted early and late this season.

    All these are by their nature hard to see in good conditions, impossible in a seaway and at night.

    This summer I sailed over 1000 NM in French waters - plenty of pots there but all marked by flags at least 1m tall and many 2m with flagging. It can be done, it is not ruinous to fishermen, and it is about time it is enforced here!

    PWG

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  9. #59
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    Default Sovereign Harbour...

    You're right, it's a minefield! My rudder got caught last year on a piece of floating line connected to a string of pots, right next to the comically-named "safe water mark". Couldn't free it, so ended up dragging the pots back into the harbour entrance and then letting the marina workboat sort out the mess. During a subsequent frank exchange of views, the marina manager claimed that he couldn't do anything about the pots right outside the marina, even though they're laid by berth-holders in his marina! Talking to the people in the harbour, they were well aware that some of the "fishermen" operating from the harbour use cheap floating line.

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  10. #60
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    Default Alderney Race

    Entering the Alderney Race, there were two pots some 150m apart, one either side of track. The pot on the stbd side of track had its smaller marker buoy about 15m from it. I left them well on the stbd side.

    It turned out the marker was not attached to the pot on the stbd side, but the one on the port side, with about 120m of rope!

    I snagged it....cut it off as best I could, and limped into St Peter Port. Thankully, it was almost flat water in the race, otherwise it would have been unpleasant to say the least.

    The Guernsey diver said he was seeing this more and more, and that a 'rogue' potter was laying them with this length marker....

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