I'm trying to remember how far away we would be when we make our changes and about 5 miles seems likely, that would be about 10 minutes away at 30knts.
If we took care to make a call before the 6 mile mark (which happens to fit nicely to my radar marker rings) then everyone should be happy.
Having said that I'm using radar and AIS with a fairly modern plotter on a fast boat. The kit works it out for me.
Quite what I'd do in limited vis on a 5knt sailing boat, hard on the wind, in iffy sea conditions while feeling a bit seasick I hesitate to consider. But then that's probably why I switched to a mobo.
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Thread: Do you ignore col regs
24-01-11, 21:22 #161Registered User
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24-01-11, 21:44 #162
24-01-11, 21:55 #163Registered User
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24-01-11, 21:58 #164
I take action as early as possible and make a very decisive turn. The ship skipper now knows what i intend and will continue on his course. I'll then keep changing my course a little to bring me back closer to my original course, but still pass the stern of the ship, which will also be obvious to the ship skipper, his ARPA will still show me passing his stern.
If i was to get into a close quarters situation, i would follow Colregs, as there isn't time for second guessing each other. As i'm on the East Coast, i don't get into so many close quarter situations as the South Coast guys and when i do, it's usually in narrow channels, so a different approach is applicable (different rules, big draft, narrow channel etc)
There may be factors that will affect the above decision making, other ships/boats in the area etc. But that's the general gist of my technique.
24-01-11, 23:49 #165timbartlett Guest
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25-01-11, 00:34 #166
I actually agree with :
(1) No risk of collision -- do whatever you like
(2) Risk of collision identified -- standing on is compulsory
(3) Give way vessel identified as not taking action -- stand on vessel has option of taking action
(4) Give way vessel cannot avoid collision -- stand on vessel must take action.
The problem is identifying when you cross the line between the different phases.
The first one is relatively easy. We have legal precedent that says six miles is in phase 1
But at some distance less than 6 miles, we move into phase 2.
I also feel the the distance between 1 and 2 can be variable, depending on your own circumstances. Are you onboard a sailboat or a mobo, how fast are you going, how fast can you go, etc. The data that is available to the skipper must surely play a part too, it's so much easier to make a quick decision from a long distance if you have radar and AIS, than if you were plotting a course with nothing more than a paper chart, for instance.
Reading back through some of the thread it certainly is a blury line where some are saying you must stand on and some are saying they change course, but i can't help but feel underneath it all, we are mostly singing from the same hymn sheet.
Although, with respect to all, there are some post where, for example, you yourself haven't been clear about distances (although you posted the afore mentioned on Scuttlebut) which seems to lead some to believe you advocate standing on until the death. Then there are the post on the other side of the fence that advocate turning to port, which seems to fly in the face of Colregs, when i fact, they are turning to port early enough for it not to impact Colregs.
I suspect that in reality, most people are actually following Colregs.
Whatever, i've found some of the thread interesting and informative. If nothing else, it makes one step back and consider the actions one takes
25-01-11, 00:35 #167
Damn, i think i just agreed with Tim, can a mod please delete my last post ?
25-01-11, 08:15 #168
As I have being trying to say for the last day or so is that we(the whole forum and boating community) are all acting in a similar way and complying with col regs.
The gap between us is one of explanation on how we actually act, you make the col regs sound like a suicide pack to some of us.
If a ship alters course 5-10 degrees to go round my stern I am still not comfortable in standing on.
The reason being it is not safe to pass 1/4 mile infront of a Tanker .
a) you cant be certain he has seen you
b) there are numerous reasons why my speed can be interrupted leaving me a sitting duck.
Your plan to turn to starboard and wait is also flawed
a) it puts me closer to the kill zone
b) I loose my magical and impressive agility.
that is meant as a serious post...........
Now lets look at the 6-2 mile stand on in more detail .....
Mrs Barking gets on the Seacat from Ryde bound for Portsmouth at 1300 hrs one sunday, 2 hours latter she gets off in Brighton and asks the hostess where they are
' I am sorry Mrs Barking, the Captain has bought himself a yacht ready for his retirement , he's taken it all very seriously and been on an RYA course"
Mrs Barking protests, "But my husband is waiting for me in Portsmouth, he is not going to be very happy"
Hostess " Well the Captain has learned that he cant helm to Port when standing on to craft 6-2 miles away and the solent gets rather busy on a Sunday afternoon."
Mrs Barking "You just wait until Tim finds out about this"
Hostess "Sorry Mrs Barking, you should have been here last week during the Bank Holiday, we ended up at Folkston".
25-01-11, 10:01 #169Registered User
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Alternatively you could turn 270° to starboard ...
As an alternative alternative you could just change your speed ....
25-01-11, 10:16 #170
Did I see you on the http://www.worldsgreatestbusinessmin...OM-create.html last night.