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  1. #31
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    As a novice, can I ask the point of having the kicker and topping lift led aft? To my novice mind, these are "adjust and forget" items.

    My Kicker is set when sailing, and once set I never adjust it. Okay the racers might want to fine tune the rig, but I find I never alter it.

    Then the topping lift. The sole purpose of that (unless I am miss understanding it) is just to hold up the boom when the sail is down.

    So my topping lift goes slack when I hoist the main. When I let the main down again, the topping lift goes tight and supports the boom.

    So either I am completely missing something important, or these are about the two least useful things to lead back to the cockpit.

    Please enlighten me.

    In my case, at the moment it's only the foresail furling, and main halyard that I have led to the cockpit so I can raise and lower the main, and furl and unfurl the jib from the cockpit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProDave View Post
    My Kicker is set when sailing, and once set I never adjust it. Okay the racers might want to fine tune the rig, but I find I never alter it.
    That's about right, except for "racers" read "racers and tweaky cruisers who want to get the best out of their rig at all times". But plenty of us don't, and frankly I probably wouldn't know how (unless the boom is blatantly flying into the sky downwind).

    Quote Originally Posted by ProDave View Post
    Then the topping lift. The sole purpose of that (unless I am miss understanding it) is just to hold up the boom when the sail is down.
    That's right. But on some boats the geometry of the rig is such that, with enough slack to let the sail set properly, the boom would hang inconveniently low with the sail stowed. So you have to tighten it before dropping the sail, and slack it after hoisting, hence it makes sense to be in the same place as the halyard.

    Pete

  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProDave View Post
    As a novice, can I ask the point of having the kicker and topping lift led aft? To my novice mind, these are "adjust and forget" items.

    My Kicker is set when sailing, and once set I never adjust it. Okay the racers might want to fine tune the rig, but I find I never alter it.

    Then the topping lift. The sole purpose of that (unless I am miss understanding it) is just to hold up the boom when the sail is down.

    So my topping lift goes slack when I hoist the main. When I let the main down again, the topping lift goes tight and supports the boom.

    So either I am completely missing something important, or these are about the two least useful things to lead back to the cockpit.

    Please enlighten me.

    In my case, at the moment it's only the foresail furling, and main halyard that I have led to the cockpit so I can raise and lower the main, and furl and unfurl the jib from the cockpit.
    Well, the first thing to do when going to put a slab in the main is Kicker off, topping lift on, so that gets done before I go forward to put the slab in. I do adjust my kicker... not as much as when racing but it does get adjusted. Same with the outhaul..... outhaul on upwind and eased offwind....It's easy, it works and it's free. Cruisers tend not to bother but 0.2 or even 0.5 a knot adds up considerably over 24 hours.
    As has been previously mentioned, you are just lucky not to have to adjust your topping lift. I've sailed another boat like this but in my experience, most aren't. Also if you wind on a load of kicker it might want easing.
    The prudent see danger and seek refuge.

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    Hi Chewi.
    I know your original post was some years ago!! But I have a lovely cobra 750, and was wondering if you still have your boat and / or photos of the lines led aft?
    Regards.
    Thunderbird

    QUOTE=chewi;3020422]I have taken almost all lines aft on my c

    obra 750 which is almost identical. viz
    reefing lines ,
    main halyrd,
    kicker,
    topping lift
    pole up
    pole down,
    spin halyd,
    spare halyd.
    all go to clutches except the pole up/down and topping lift (camblocks)
    genoa halyd stays at the mast as its no use aft with furling gear.

    I would prefer the pole up/down to be clutches too.. thats the plan, as the cams slip.

    On the coachroof there are a couple of almost triangular patches to install cleats winches etc. I installed a teak pad about 5/8" thick on each side and fixed all my hardware in the optimum places, then drilled through accessible places to fix thro' the cabin top which is solid in that position, no balsa core. This gives an opportunity to fiddle &/or get it wring without riddling the cabin top with wrong holes. There's a size 6 winch on the aft end of each side to pull all lines through their clutches.

    The reef tack lines are secured fwd to the boom, uo to the cringle, back down to a turning block at deck level, then aft on a diagonal directly to clutches on the above plates.alongside a similar clew reef. I do not use horns. This way I can drop the halyard, pull the pair of reef lines together, make up the halyd, then winch the clew reef which comes from the fwd end of the boom down and alongside the tack line.

    The mast is stepped on top of a tufnol plate that is throughbolted to take turning blocks so none are screwed throught the cabintop.

    The pole up/down leave the mast acroos the port beam to stacked turning blocks, then aft parallel with the port handrail to their camblocks.
    similarly to stbd the spinnaker halyd & spare go across to stbd nd back to a double clutch.

    I use the spared halyd for mast climbing.
    I use the spinnaker in a sock, so the helmsman hoists, then the bowman raises the sock.

    The first reef lines & main halyd come diagonally direcly from the mast foot to a triple clutch, the other reefs and kicker similarly to stbd triple clutch. a single cam block takes the topping lift to stbd.

    The outhaul is held in a jammer at the fwd end of the boom.


    I did this with my original IYE mast, but now I have a new Zspars , which makes it easier.
    Hope that helps.

    If interested I'll dig out some pics & find out how to post them..[/QUOTE]

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