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    Default Buying trailer sailer

    I am thinking of buying a Boomeroo 25 which is an Aussie built Catalina 25. It is being offered at just above half of the going price for these boats. the boat is very clean inside and also looks good on the outside - it's afloat at the moment. It has a new 7HP Bukh diesel with 12 hours running. The problem is that the owner hit something with the prop - he says it spluttered and stopped and will not start again. He says Bukh have told him he might have bent a valve but I don't see how that could have happened. He says it needs a new prop., new standing rigging and a new main.
    Should I get a survey with it out of the water? What should I look for - bent prop shaft etc?
    If there is no visible damage to the hull, should I take the risk?
    Barry

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    If you don't have the knowledge get an engineer to look at the damage.
    Cost out a repair, cost out new sails.
    Add a bit (if these items are required, count on more)

    Is it really cheaper than a good example?

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    With that amount of work, that's what's usually refered to as a project boat.

    I can't see how the motor could bent a valve, but I could see how it may have bent the crankshaft coming to an abrupt stop.
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    Difficult to say. If the going rate for that boat is 3k then a 50% saving amounts to very little. If the going rate is 30k then it's an interesting prospect.

    He hasn't reduced the price out of charity and probably knows more than he is saying. You know its been thumped below the waterline. Sounds like an out of the water survey to me, unless you fancy a gamble.
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    The going rate for a good one is A$25k (about 16k). He's asking A$14k (about 9k).
    He says he paid about A$8k for the new Bukh. So if I had to buy a new engine, new main and new rigging it would end up about the same as buying a good one!
    I suppose that answers my own question, unless I could get it for much less.
    Barry

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    Default Trailer sailer

    The Boomeroo 25 is a very nice cruising boat. One of the few Trailer sailers with an inboard diesel. If that is a priority. To me however the noise and vibration of a single cylinder diesel would make you want to stop ASAP. Of course you are talking fairly heavy towing.
    I have no useful comment to add on the diesel question although I can't imagine a sudden prop stop would hurt the engine it may have stopped for other reasons. In aviation sudden prop stop of a piston engined plane really does mean an obligatory overhaul but generally there is not so much damage. Here a prop is bolted directly to the crankshaft and is in fact the flywheel. So I would think a diesel with its own flywheel and connected via a gearbox would be much more imune to damage. But I really don't know.
    You did not mention the condition of the trailer or its existence. Here probably as much value and concern as the engine.
    So the deal to me does not seem so bad although as always you need to be sure the boat type is what you want. (I recommend a Castle) but then I am biased olewill

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    Hi Olewill,
    Thanks for your input. There is no trailer with it - it's been kept in the water.
    I had a look at the Castle but think it's probably a bit small for us. My last boat was an Austrian built Sunbeam 23 and we wanted to go just a bit bigger.
    I see you are in WA - there is a nice looking Boomeroo 25 over there for $25000 ono, but it's a bit of a long way from NSW.
    Barry

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    If you are looking at it as a trailer sailer the lack of a trailer would seem to be a major problem. Even if you want to keep it on the water it's nice to know you can slip it and move it at virtually no cost.
    If it's without trailer you need to start wondering how often it has been lifted and in view of the tired sails and unexplained motor problem, you need to look at everything on the boat. Sounds like a lack of care and maintenance.
    I would look elsewhere. You can bet you are going to spend a lot of money and time when you could have maybe just bought a boat in good condition, ready to go.

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    Default Boomaroo 25

    I think if i were considering buying a Boomeroo without a trailer I would consider going to a much bigger boat with fin keel. The Boomeroo is still a TS with cramped accommodation and for me would not be sufficient increase ins size over a 23ft.Further a proper fin keel yacht will have better sea keeping abilities.
    Still that is for your choice.
    Slipping and AF painting the Boomeroo will be a problem. If you always retract the keel you may be OK with no A/F on the keel but to paint the swing keel you would need to slip the boat into slings which enable the keel to be swung down. Of course that is an even bigger problem on a trailer.
    One club here in Perth have one cradle out of 8 where slings can be used. I saw a Benetou about 25ft with wing keel on slings last week apparently the winged keel can not take the weight of the boat.
    No I havn't seen the Boomeroo for sale in Perth and yes 4000km would be a long drive to tow it home although if you had the time a great trip with stop overs. I don't follow the for sales no intention of changing boats. good luck olewill

    PS for those in UK the habit at that club is to hoist boat out on a cradle on railway wheels where you get 2 or 3 days to redo A/F then it is back in the water so they are busy now it is spring. Another club have a couple of lifters and dump the boat on the hard and you can get a week out of the water.

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