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  1. #51
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    Quote Originally Posted by jfm View Post
    Blimey V, you have a massive project there. Continuing to wish you lots of good luck!
    +1.
    V, you make me feel ashamed to have occasionally thought that I was wasting too much of my time in some small jobs onboard...!
    Re, your questions, I fully agree with all jfm previous suggestions.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jfm View Post
    Blimey V, you have a massive project there. Continuing to wish you lots of good luck!
    thanks, it is a massive project, but I'm still running on schedule... Should be back in the water by the end of June, not complete, but useable. Only thing I'm worried is having any silly or not so silly skiing, or refurb related mishap and loosing time in plaster as I've seen it happen on other fellow forumites... So wish me luck in this department for now

    Quote Originally Posted by jfm View Post
    I agree there is no point in those b/pump switches. Move them upstairs to the electical panel. Some boats (Beneteau group) I've been on fit bilge pumps to showers where the shower tray is below w/line, and have a (very annoying) manual switch in the shower room, but even if that was the reason for your switches you should still get rid of them and fit auto-pump out shower sumps
    ah, had forgotten about that, mind you cables to this switch go nowhere, so no idea how/what it was doing. Will be removed!

    Quote Originally Posted by jfm View Post
    Not sure what you can do other than fit very neatly run piping in clips, or spin the pump on the flange (if possible?) so the inlet comes up vertically thru the floor and is therefore hidden (and you can put an elbow on the outlet, if you need to). I know it would hit the budget but if you were feeling like it the best answer is to fit a pair of Tecmas, which work the best and look the best out of anything on the marine market. You want the "Silence Plus" or whichever from that range fits the best - they all have the same mechanicals. Alas they are about e600 each though

    Anyway, good luck and thanks for posting the pics
    Yep, thought already of rotating the pump 90degrees clockwise, but since atm I'm with no water (cut lots of pipes all over and unless I go back to the pump or plug them right on the spot I don't have any water supply) to clean the potential mess, I'll skip for the time being and will test that next week. TBH, not looking forward to opening up the macerator and cleaning the thing

    Thanks for the pointer, would really love a couple of wall hang toilets like the evolution but I have to seriously question their ergonomics (that is overcoming the costs involved!)
    FFS, 450mm height for a wall hang toilet??? You're only meant to have them hung at 420m so effectively they should be flush to the flooring???
    I have actually noticed that in many cases, toilets are mounted fairly high, is that another marine specialty? Or in marine environments heads are specified for 6ft4+ ppl? (with all the other living space suitable for 5ft6 )
    Anyway, I'll report back once I dismantle one of them and try to rotate the pump.

    cheers

    V.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virtuvas View Post
    loosing time in plaster as I've seen it happen on other fellow forumites...
    My specialist subject (all fixed now!)

    Quote Originally Posted by virtuvas View Post
    FFS, 450mm height for a wall hang toilet??? You're only meant to have them hung at 420m so effectively they should be flush to the flooring???
    I have actually noticed that in many cases, toilets are mounted fairly high, is that another marine specialty? Or in marine environments heads are specified for 6ft4+ ppl? (with all the other living space suitable for 5ft6 )
    Anyway, I'll report back once I dismantle one of them and try to rotate the pump.
    When doing wall hung in houses i always fit them a bit higher than the makers say. I just prefer it that way. I wouldn't be a big fan of wall hung on a boat - I dont think you get the necessary stiffness (as opposed to strength) in the bulkheads. But fitting them high is good imho - they subtend a bigger angle relative to a guy's er nozzle which stops guys who refuse to sit (as I try to encourage guys to do on boats...) from spraying quite so much fine pee droplet-age in your shower room!
    Last edited by jfm; 24-01-12 at 23:47.

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    hello from snowy Volos...
    Looks like this:


    Oddly temps are not that bad (little wind...) so managed to do some work in the heads. I'm v.close to clearing off the two rooms down to plain structure.



    Realised that clearing the mess in there, I gathered this lot

    (around 30 odd plus a few more in a couple more pipes...)

    Main cabin is almost clean (need to remove the 6 windows and scrap the plywood lining.


    The rest of the salon/galley looks like that:



    I calculated that I'm typically producing 60lt or garbage per 4h work. Looking forward to the time that I start adding things rather than removing...

    Next task is to cut down the 15mm ply wall between the two heads, strip the formica like lining on the walls and remove part of the wall between the ex aft head and the space under the helm which is going to become a slightly tight bed... Difficult to describe, photos should be easier. Will have to relocate the air-con compressor and/or heat exchange unit that live there.

    more to come soon.

    V.

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    Impressive going V.... just hope the re-build is going equally as fast ...

    May get to boat this or next week-end .... any picures you want as comparison/ideas ?? (remember that due to engine re-build we are in a bit of a state as well....).
    Regards, Alf

    I've stopped drinking water .... I have seen what it does to the bottom of our boat!

    "The only time you have too much fuel is when you're on fire."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divemaster1 View Post
    Impressive going V.... just hope the re-build is going equally as fast ...
    Thanks although thats wishful thinking Alf...
    No way refitting will be as quick, though I'll feel much better once it starts though

    May get to boat this or next week-end .... any pictures you want as comparison/ideas ?? (remember that due to engine re-build we are in a bit of a state as well....).
    Yes please, any photos of the stbrd cabin would be appreciated.
    Bow cabin layout is going to be quite different on mine, so don't bother.
    However, bow access to anchor chain is a dark area for me, so in/out photos could prove helpful.
    Corridor photos would be also handy I think.
    Few more pics from around the galley and salon may give me ideas for updates.

    BTW, how is the engine rebuilt going on? Waiting for spares, waiting for better weather or too busy with real life/work?

    Next week will also have to remove the turbos and send them for rebuilt
    But I need to empty all the **** from the salon before I can lift salon floor to have some space to work on the turbos.

    Lots of work outside as well, but I'll start on March 10C + for me to scrape all hull...

    Cheers

    V.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virtuvas View Post
    .....Yes please, any photos of the stbrd cabin would be appreciated.
    Will try to do that ... may not manage without stitching as it is tight in there....


    Quote Originally Posted by virtuvas View Post
    ...........however, bow access to anchor chain is a dark area for me, so in/out photos could prove helpful....
    Access to this is through the crew cabin at the bow, so pretty like yours with draneage down where your sink is...


    Quote Originally Posted by virtuvas View Post
    ...........Corridor photos would be also handy I think.
    Few more pics from around the galley and salon may give me ideas for updates.....
    Will try to do that as well, but galley is pretty packed at the moment with stuff during engine re-build...

    Quote Originally Posted by virtuvas View Post
    ...........BTW, how is the engine rebuilt going on? Waiting for spares, waiting for better weather or too busy with real life/work?...
    Pretty busy at work and with life in general, but looks like I may get to start with the cylinder re-build pretty soon and will continue posting progress on the original thread...

    Good luck !, and I will post pictures as I capture them...
    Regards, Alf

    I've stopped drinking water .... I have seen what it does to the bottom of our boat!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Divemaster1 View Post

    Access to this is through the crew cabin at the bow, so pretty like yours with draneage down where your sink is...
    Hm, that's my problem, since I've removed the crew cabin, I have now an issue of accessing the anchor chain (and windlass relay box)
    ATM, I'm considering having a decent cabinet and access the chain from the main cabin (typical in sportsboat setups, Fairline Targa 30something iirc).
    However, I would like to have the lever for tightening/loosening the windlass clutch somewhere around and the crew cabin hatch was ideal to knock various things in there, plus some lines.
    So I'm seriously considering a modification leading to a shallow hatch at the bow covered with teak as the rest of the deck, just not got any idea how others have done it...

    cheers

    V.

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    Quote Originally Posted by virtuvas View Post
    Hm, that's my problem, since I've removed the crew cabin, I have now an issue of accessing the anchor chain (and windlass relay box)
    ATM, I'm considering having a decent cabinet and access the chain from the main cabin (typical in sportsboat setups, Fairline Targa 30something iirc).
    However, I would like to have the lever for tightening/loosening the windlass clutch somewhere around and the crew cabin hatch was ideal to knock various things in there, plus some lines.
    So I'm seriously considering a modification leading to a shallow hatch at the bow covered with teak as the rest of the deck, just not got any idea how others have done it...

    cheers

    V.
    I would say the best access is a deck hatch(es) on the foredeck. Then you can clean it out with hose pipe etc, without going through the boat's interior. I appreciate that putting a hatch in the deck with drain gutters and all that isn't a trivial task.

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    this is the door giving acces to the chain box, from the crew cabin, on BA.



    was very handy when replacing the whinch,
    but agree with JFM that in your case, a deck hatch would be the best.

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