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    Marsupial I said

    You may be right but please do not fuel the nervousness that some people have without factual information.
    If you have lived for any length of time inTurkey you will know that verbal assertions from Officials cannot always be relied upon. In this instance for once we appear to have a pro-active Embassy and I would suggest its information is a little more to be relied that word of mouth.

    the removal of health care in the UK IF you take up SGK in Turkey is very worrying
    This link explains that if you are out of the UK for more than 3 months you may not be eligible for free NHS Treatment.It has nothing to do with whether or not a person voluntarily takes up SGK insurance.

    http://www.whippsx.nhs.uk/uploaded_f...k_citizens.pdf

    I am describing the situation as it has been described to me TODAY ie the new system (I suppose, I assume
    Interpretation of the application of the laws varies from town to town,and always has done. I am describing the system merely as I have experienced it being in possession of both a Residents Permit and Kimlik Number and owning both property and a boat .

    Personally I think that the SGK Insurance is good value for money, but only if you are a married couple, have no pre-existing medical conditions and live in Turkey full time.
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    I thought this was a liveaboard forum.
    A very real problem is that you cannot now overwinter aboard in Turkey.. let alone overwinter and then cruise the coast in spring and summer and autumn.

    Brian

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjvarley View Post
    I thought this was a liveaboard forum.
    A very real problem is that you cannot now overwinter aboard in Turkey.. let alone overwinter and then cruise the coast in spring and summer and autumn.

    Brian
    There should be nothing to stop you overwintering aboard in Turkey?, and nothing to stop you overwintering and then cruising spring, summer & autumn?

    All you do is apply for a residence permit! But typically, as all things Turkish there has been no understanding, tie-up or coordination with other internal procedures.

    With the transit log being issued for 12 months, against a visa valid for only 90 days in a 180 day period! It will be interesting to see how this is interpretted by all involved?

    One arguement would be that if the transit log is issued (which stipulates 12 months), then this surely satisfies any requirement for the issue of a 12 month residence permit!

    As has been said many times before, we really will have to wait and see how things settle, and what kind of practical application is put in place against the numerous and varied interpretations that are sure to surface!

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    Quote Originally Posted by satsuma View Post
    There should be nothing to stop you overwintering aboard in Turkey?, and nothing to stop you overwintering and then cruising spring, summer & autumn?

    All you do is apply for a residence permit! But typically, as all things Turkish there has been no understanding, tie-up or coordination with other internal procedures.

    With the transit log being issued for 12 months, against a visa valid for only 90 days in a 180 day period! It will be interesting to see how this is interpretted by all involved?

    One arguement would be that if the transit log is issued (which stipulates 12 months), then this surely satisfies any requirement for the issue of a 12 month residence permit!

    As has been said many times before, we really will have to wait and see how things settle, and what kind of practical application is put in place against the numerous and varied interpretations that are sure to surface!
    Not so! TRANSIT is what it says it is. Residency is totally different, it means the opposite of transit (well not opposite). but totaly different.

    Peter

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    Quote Originally Posted by rivonia View Post
    Not so! TRANSIT is what it says it is. Residency is totally different, it means the opposite of transit (well not opposite). but totaly different.

    Peter
    No **** Sherlock!!

    I was referring to the fact that, with this new legislation, they have not taken into account sooooo many other things influenced by these changes!

    For instance, they will now issue a transit log for a 12 month duration, which you can't possibly use with the issued/accompanying 90 in 180 day visa! To make use of the 12 months on the transit log, you must get a residence permit, which is not issued at the port of entry!

    You won't actually need a residence permit until 89 days after entry, so they might now have to issue residence permits for 1 year minus 90 days! or after 90 days you may then have to pay for a permanant marina/address for the residence application! Or specifically my point previously being, would they now accept the transit log on its own, valid for one year (demonstrating a legel right to be in the country) as supporting documentation for the residence application?

    When people apply for a residence permit, they need to demonstrate a number of things like ability to support ones self, place to stay etc

    Lots and lots more questions raised than answers given by this legislation?
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    No questions asked by the legislation. Simply that you cannot now do the back to back visitor visa thing that you used to be able to do. Abuse of system stopped. Now, if you want to remain in Turkey for more than 90 days in 180, you have to get a residency permit. Transit logs for boat have nothing whatsoever to do with the visa system. 2 separate departments of government, 2 completly separate sets of questions to answer.

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    I think it would be good to hear from someone who has at least attempted to get a residents permit as a liveaboard cruiser in Turkey. There is a lot of 'this might happen'.. 'this could work' on this thread .. reflecting the fact that nobody knows how the new visa rules will (could) be applied.
    Its turkey.. the immigration guy in front of you decides the rules (his rules) at the time..
    I think we'll go back to Tunisia and see how the revolution's going.

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    Following is the text of an email passed to me by another liveaboard boat here in Messi, which may be of interest:








    ----- Vidarebefordrat meddelande ----
    Frċn: Medelhavsseglarna <noreply@medelhav.se>
    Till: tomkolsrud@yahoo.se
    Skickat: fredag, 10 februari 2012 22:04
    Ämne: Ny kommentar pċ medelhav.se till artikeln: "Ny Regler"



    Sven-Olov Dömstedt skrev
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    Ny information frċn Hazan

    Dear Alanya Marina Sailors,



    There are meetings will be held in Ankara for the visa issue next week. According to the latest news, Tourism Minister has informed Foreign Affair and Internal Affair ministers for the problem and they are working on a short sentence saying that the visiting boat owners and crew will be excluded from the new visa law.



    The board of the ministers have decided to find a solution for the problem but it is an urgent case for us all.



    I believe your e-mails to the below addresses will help to make them work harder, to spend more time and effort on the problem. Please e-mail them your comments as one sailor did it below, and ask them to find a solution but soon. Every day more cruisers either change their plan not to come to Turkish coast or make the plan to leave Turkey.



    Please also inform your cruising friends whom are keeping their yachts in Turkey, to e-mail the below addresses.



    Kind regards,



    Hasan Kaçmaz

    1) Mr. Ertu?rul GÜNAY; Minister of Culture and Tourism.
    E-mail: ertugrul.gunay@kultur.gov.tr

    2)Mr. Cumhur Güven TA?BA?I; General Director of Promotion, Ministry of Culture and Tourism.
    E-mail: cumhurguven@kultur.gov.tr

    3)Mr. Cemil Ferhat KARAMAN,; Deputy Director General Ministry of Foreign Affairs
    E-mail: cemil.karaman@mfa.gov.tr

    4)Mr. Mesut ÖZBEK,; Head of Department of External Relations and E.U Coordination, Ministry of Culture and Tourism
    E-mail: mesut.ozbek@kultur.gov.tr

    5)Mr. Kemal;TÜZÜN, Head of Department,Ministry of Foreign Affairs
    E-mail: kemal.tuzun@mfa.gov.tr

    6)Mr. Zafer E?IT,; Head of Division External Relations and E.U Coordination,Ministry of Culture and Tourism
    E-mail: zaferesit@hotmail.com

    7)Ms. Serra AYTUN; Head of Division External Relations and E.U Coordination,Ministry of Culture and Tourism
    E-mail: aytun.serra@gmail.com

    8)Mr. Orhan ÇETINEL,; Chief of Section,Ministry of Foreign Affairs
    E-mail: ocetinel@mfa.gov.tr

    9)Mr. Ali TUNAY,;First Secretary,Office of the President of Republic
    E-mail: almin1at@yahoocom

    Dear Sirs

    We are dismayed that you are implementing these new visa regulations which require foreigners to spend a maximum of 90 days in Turkey within the tourist visa period of 180 days. This policy seems intended to bring much of the Turkish yachting industry to an end. This is particularly surprising as we understand the Turkish Government have invested large sums of money to create the initial infrastructure for many new marinas. The yachting fraternity must represent a substantial income to Turkey in terms of marina fees, yacht maintenance services, retail shops and chandleries, restaurants, transport and other social facilities. Why has the Turkish Government decided to implement these new regulations?

    Our yacht has spent nearly 5 years in Turkey. It is our normal practice to come to Turkey in mid April and (leaving the yacht in Turkey in a marina) leave Turkey to return to the UK at the end of June. This is because we find Turkey too hot for us in the summer. We then return to Turkey early September and return to the UK in late October, leaving our yacht ashore in a marina. This will not be possible with the new visa regulations. This pattern of visits to Turkey is very common for a large part of the yachting community.

    We have very much enjoyed cruising around your beautiful coastline and would wish to continue doing so. We hope that the Turkish Government will reconsider these onerous regulations otherwise it will be necessary for us, and many many others, to leave Turkey

    Yours faithfully

    Anthony M Hall

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    Quote Originally Posted by bjvarley View Post
    I think it would be good to hear from someone who has at least attempted to get a residents permit as a liveaboard cruiser in Turkey. There is a lot of 'this might happen'.. 'this could work' on this thread .. reflecting the fact that nobody knows how the new visa rules will (could) be applied.
    Its turkey.. the immigration guy in front of you decides the rules (his rules) at the time..
    I think we'll go back to Tunisia and see how the revolution's going.
    We did get a residents permit in October. Boat is in Cesme and we had to go to Izmir to apply for our permit. Needed to show copy of Turkish Bank statement and to open a Turkish account we needed to get a Tax number to pay tax on the interest. 2000 euros per person per year required to be on deposit - 1 to 5 years permits offered. Annual contract with marina was accepted as proof of residence.

    Last week Police turned up at the marina to check that we were actually resident on board and needed to see the boat. We were not there so had to go to the Police station and spent a morning there. They needed to know if the boat was our only residence in Turkey - were we working in Turkey - what was our income (individual not joint as we each had to prove we had enough to live on).
    We have only just returned from UK so I do not know what would have happened had we not been here.
    Not really very difficult but would we do it again - No. We only really want to be resident in our own country and cruise to others.

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    Tony
    The visit by the Jandarma seems to be standard practice in many areas as are the questions and is not specific to yachtsmen, but it is normally done prior to issue of the Residents Permit.

    The RP is not expensive these days for UK citizens, about the same price for 1 year as the cost of a a ferry run to Rhodes used to be, and for Irish Citizens is free.

    All that Turkey has done is to align themselves with the visa requirements of the Countries who are signatories and implement the Schwengen Agreement including Greece, Italy, France, Spain, Denmark. Because the UK is a member of the EU UK citizens have a right of freedom of movement, technically I believe for up to 3 months, so have not been aware of or affected by the 90/180 day visa.
    It would be interesting to hear of the experiences of people from Non EU Countries who have obtained Schwengen Visa to visit these countries particularly when they have wanted to stay more than 90 days.

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