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    Quote Originally Posted by photodog View Post
    That is just gobsmacking.
    I guess there really is no such thing as bad publicity

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    Hot liquid sailing should do the decent thing... they should shut down temporarily at least and have a complete appraisal of their operations....

    This lack of a review by hot liquid sailing of their safety, and going straight into a price promotion, is a very poor reflection of their priorities.

    Hot liquid needs to review what went wrong before they offer any more courses or sail training.

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    I agree this seems a case of poor planning, especially re. crew abilities & strength.

    NB the famous quote in a Naval officers' summary, " this Officer shows great skill at getting himself out of situations he should never have got into ! "

    A good skipper always has a Plan B - & C, such as already sorting out storm sails - including making sure one can rig a storm jib in storm conditions, a sea anchor ( for drifting or as a steering drogue side to side ) the rudder will keep working or a jury rig is at hand / at least in mind, and as a last resort the chart & anchor are ready, remember the case of 'Tilly Twin', the fin keeler which remarkably got away with running up Bognor beach in a storm( 'Heavy Weather Sailing' again ) ; more to the point, all ones' crew need to be briefed on these things if the skipper is for any reason unavailable...that is not relating to this latest case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seajet View Post
    I agree this seems a case of poor planning, especially re. crew abilities & strength.

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    They went out with a force 10 forecast... and they new that it had been forecast...

    This isnt a case of poor planning on Hot liquid sailing behalf... its a case of negligence....
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    There is no reason to sail with such a forecast unless you are a lifeboat or a salvage tug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minn View Post
    There is no reason to sail with such a forecast unless you are a lifeboat or a salvage tug.
    I would go further. There is every reason NOT to sail unless you are a lifeboat or a salvage tug.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Minn View Post
    There is no reason to sail with such a forecast unless you are a lifeboat or a salvage tug.
    And so what was the reason? Position a boat for accommodation during LBS perhaps? I don't know, I'm just guessing (it ties in with the dates for the return 'cruise' though - I also can't think why else you would advertise a cruise to London at this time of year with a two week gap between arrival and departure?)... but if that is the case then you shouldn't put fare-paying punters out to do the job in those conditions! Day return train tickets or a budget hotel at the end of a tube line are going to be looking increasingly cheaper options after this.

    The weather forecast was undeniable... what on earth was going through the skipper's mind when go/no go decisions were being made!
    Are we there yet?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomshanka View Post
    The weather forecast was undeniable... what on earth was going through the skipper's mind when go/no go decisions were being made!
    He has already answered that question on Twitter

    2nd Jan

    Great F8/9 maybe even F10 Tue!!! At least it's from west so just run under storm jib!!! May even use Trysail!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomshanka View Post
    And so what was the reason? Position a boat for accommodation during LBS perhaps? I don't know, I'm just guessing (it ties in with the dates for the return 'cruise' though - I also can't think why else you would advertise a cruise to London at this time of year with a two week gap between arrival and departure?)... but if that is the case then you shouldn't put fare-paying punters out to do the job in those conditions! Day return train tickets or a budget hotel at the end of a tube line are going to be looking increasingly cheaper options after this.

    The weather forecast was undeniable... what on earth was going through the skipper's mind when go/no go decisions were being made!
    they have a stand at Libs.... I think that your spot on.

    Its a worthwhile trip... and a good idea... but clearly Hot Liquid sailing have allowed business priorities to rule over common sense...

    And they did the same thing last year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boomshanka View Post
    You can watch crew and skipper being interviewed here (for the next 7 hours on iPlayer) [http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode...ay_03_01_2012/]

    from 03:10 to 04:28
    Skipper quoted that the Helmsman was slammed against the wheel but didn't receive major injuries, what else would you call a broken shoulder and jaw! What a T@%t.

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